20 tunnels from Mexico to US

[serryjw]

discovered since 9-11. The drugs & immigration are bad enough..What else are they bringing in to the coutry through Mexico? How many MORE tunnels are there?
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Since the September 11 attacks, federal authorities have discovered more than 20 cross-border tunnels along the U.S.-Mexico border in California and Arizona
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http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060126-104452-9153r.htm

[Horse with no Name]

1. They act like this is a new discovery

Most folks have known about these tunnels for years.
I wonder why they want them to be news now?
Gotta keep the people scared about terror and pissed off about immigrants.

[ewoden]

5. I don't know about you but is scares the frijoles out of me . .

Just the idea that there could be a Mexican version of Ross Perot excaliming that these tunnels mean a giant sucking sound for Mexico gives me the shivers.

[ewoden]

2. Now according to NAFTA those tunnels should also

go from the US to Mexico

[tsuki]

3. Hey, I got it. Let's put our wall underground. That'll show'em.

[BrotherBuzz]

17. Zing!

:thumbsup:

[lpbk2713]

4. Give Shit-for-Brains about two more years.

And those tunnels will be used in the other direction.

[Cleita]

6. I suppose it never occurred to any terrorist

to apply for a visitor's visa and fly in on a commercial flight. No siree!

[Horse with no Name]

7. Some of these tunnels are so elaborate

that they have cars that have never been driven above ground in them and are used solely for transportation underneath.
They are used for moving drugs. Some of these tunnels took upwards of 10 years to make. The drug lords wouldn't risk running illegal immigrants through them. I highly doubt they would use them for any other purpose.
They don't care about terror, immigration, or anything else. They care about selling drugs in the US. That is it.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be shut down when they find them, but I don't fear the tunnels.
But it sure makes a nice new boogeyman to fear.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. And they had to have been built

with our knowledge.

You don't make tunnels like this without some major pieces of equipment. Wonder who had the contract? Probably Halliburton.

[Cleita]

24. Just as a point of reference, the so-called caves and tunnels

between Afghanistan and Pakistan that OBL alledgedly used and hid in were built with American help and financing during the Soviet-Afgani war, back when we were friends with OBL and the Taliban.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. Is this the one?

Funny, after we got there, these operations disappeared.

[Cleita]

26. I don't know about that, but I do know about this:

In 1986: Bin Laden Works With CIA, at Least Indirectly.

The CIA, ISI, and bin Laden build the Khost tunnel complex in Afghanistan. This will be a major target of bombing and fighting when the U.S. attacks the Taliban in 2001. (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/23/01: Honolulu Star Bulletein, 9/23/01: The Hindu, 9/27/01) It will be reported in June 2001 that "bin Laden worked closely with Saudi, Pakistani and U. S. intelligence services to recruit Mujahedeen from many Muslim countries," but this information has not been reported much since 9/11. (UPI, 6/14/01) A CIA spokesperson will later claim, "For the record, you should know that the CIA never employed, paid or maintained any relationship whatsoever with bin Laden." (Ananova, 10/31/01)

I copied this excerpt from Paul Thompson's book "The Terror Timeline".

[Generic Other]

23. So how do you dig something liike that without drawing some attention?

You can't just surreptitiously empty each bagful of dirt out in a pant leg, can you?

Wow. I didn't know about the cars!!

[serryjw]

8. Has bio/chem occured to you?

What a great way to get it into the country. It may have stated out being a run for drugs but what could it be used for now?

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. The drug dealers are businessmen. There's no amount of profit

that would justify working with terrorists, and risking the full weight of the intelligence services being turned on them. Not to mention that terrorists make bad business partners -- if I was a terrorist who had someone smuggle me in with my WMD, my first order of business would be to eliminate that someone.

For chem weapons, it would be easier to find the componants and assemble them once here. For bio-weapons, it would be easiest to simply innoculate oneself with the virus of choice and come in by plane - the more public, the better. You going to spread ebola or smallpox better by sneaking through tunnels under the border or by flying into JFK?

[CornField]

9. My brother ran a hotel in Tacna, AZ

We use to sit out front at night and watch the folks cross the border.

If there are tunnels and whatnot, I doubt they were constructed just for humans to cross the border. Those had to be for something much more sinister.

[JohnnyRingo]

10. We need a wall!!...

No, we need a moat! with sharks and piranhas.

Maybe a dome would be best. Yeah, that's it!
A dome with a concrete floor so no one can tunnel in or launch missiles at us. Then we can electrify it so if anyone touches it they'll get zapped real good!

No expense is too great.
We have to do anything except force employers to pay a living wage to Americans and stop hiring illegals for the jobs they can't outsource.

[CornField]

12. Dammit, that dome idea was mine!

Of course, I want it to be used for temperature control. ;) Iowa gets way too cold for my southern liking.

[sandnsea]

15. great great post

Makes me wish we had a voting system on posts. This really is just how stupid we are as a country.

[KharmaTrain]

11. How About Under The Canadian Border

Several big tunnels have been found along that border...especially since Vancouver turned into an herb growing center, but since those aren't brown-skinned people who talk funny, it's not as serious a problem. :sarcasm:

Anyone familiar with that area knows that tunnels are not a new thing. Earlier I spoke with a good friend in San Diego who reminded me of a massive tunnel complex that had been uncovered in the 80s that allowed smugglers to drive cars under the border and that had been operating for years before it was shut down. Most of those tunnels are operated by drug cartels and gangs that probably have several other tunnels operating and won't hestitate to start digging again.

Yep...I wonder how this squares with the Lou Doobies and Pitchfork Pats and their ideas that a big bad wall will keep those nasty Mexicans out. What a bunch of fools.

[EFerrari]

13. There is no wall that will keep those people from going back

and forth as they have done since time immemorial.

It's funny, too, because most people can't pull a weed before the county is all over them with permits and paperwork and can you imagine how many American palms had to be greased for those tunnels to exist? If anything, the DEA is pissed because they didn't think of it first. lol

[KharmaTrain]

18. Imagine The "Lawn" Crisis

If immigration laws were really enforced. It'd be worse than a decade of water bans. :sarcasm:

Many, many years ago, I worked at a radio sold airtime to several Mexican "programmers". One in specific was a real operator. He lived in a total barter world...using his radio show to trade for food, gas, cars, TV sets and then once or twice a year, he'd vanish for a month at a time...back to Nuevo Leon hauling whatever cash he stashed away while he was here. But Mexicans weren't the only ones...I saw the same thing with Poles (they used "trading corporations) and other groups and it really opened my eyes. I learned in the 70's the difference between a Serb and a Croat as well as seeing an Irish guy have his show busted by the FBI for soliciting funds that ended up being used by the IRA.

And who knows that the DEA didn't think about those tunnels? How else did Ollie North's crack cocaine make it north? Hmmm?

:hi:

Cheers...

[Cleita]

19. Also, there are vast wilderness areas between Canada

and the USA. Any experienced hiker can easily cross the borders either way, with little danger to life and limb in the summer. Also, the roads between the countries in those areas have border checks far back from the border. It isn't hard to avoid them.

[QC]

16. They only dig the tunnels that Americans won't dig! n/t

[ZapaPaine]

20. them terrists building them tunnels

Didn't you hear the latest talking point? The Earth is flat, Arabs are building tunnels through Earth's core all the way to Murka.

Why can't all these brown folk: undocumenteds, terrists, socialists from South America stop making us fear? Why, oh why are they sooooo scary?

Fear, terra, fear, terra, them terrists coming from brown mexico, not white canada. They crossing our southern deserts, they are not flying with Saudi visas. They bringing WMD through tunnels, not containers through ports.

Terra, fear, terra, fear. Distract and Divide, Imprison minds and Free Tyranny.

America the Great. Live it, love it. Just breathe that fear and insecurity.

Feel all those brownie scapegoats!!

[Zambero]

21. Not to worry. It's all part of the new guest worker program

It's the usual mushroom formula: Kept in the dark, out of sight, with a strict diet of B.S.

[ronstratton]

27. 20 tunnels

Is anyone absolutely sure as to which way the traffic is flowing?