another terrific add made by a Dean supporter

[Cheswick2.0]

http://home.pacbell.net/dyewrks/dean4america/croc.html

This is the truth plain and simple. Kerry can try to baffle with bullshit and apparently many people are ill informed enough to believe him. But that doesn't mean that when bush goes after him people won't also believe bush. It's all about the media. We are toast if Kerry is the nominee. That is my opinion.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. The ad highlights the fact that

a lot of the primary season is about the Democrats who want to bring the party back to the people and those who want to stay with the establishment. The "electability" issue has clouded things in many people's minds, and the media have helped in painting HD as "angry".

Don't get me wrong, I'm ABB, and will vote and support Kerry if he gets the nomination. But when he wins, if things go back to the same old same old, I see a whole bunch of people walking away from both Dems and Reps and building a party that is responsible to the people.

[EllieDem]

2. How about accusing Bush* of secrecy

and then not releasing your own sealed papers. Sorry but thats bullshit.

So is saying that you don't know if Bin Laden is guilty or not. Thank God Kerry called attention to that one. "Governor Dean what WERE you thinking??"

[mzmolly]

3. Releasing papers *commonly sealed by Govs to protect constituents*

does not relate to consealing papers related to our national security in any way shape or form.

[EllieDem]

6. Nice Try

but nobody is buying it......especially if you accuse the Bush* of sealing his governor records.

[Nicholas_J]

17. "Dean didnt seal them to protect constituents"

In the first statement Dean made about sealing his records. Not one word was made about protecting constitutents/ Dean only statement was that he didnbt want anything embarassing to effect his future plans.

AS Judicial Watch said. "No one is above the law" when referring to Deans sealed records.

Government Uncovered
Freedom of Information Equals Freedom From Corruption


Background
Vermont Governor and Democrat Presidential candidate Howard Dean sought to have his gubernatorial records sealed beyond established limits to protect his personal political ambitions. According to press reports, when asked why he decided to shield his gubernatorial papers from public scrutiny, Dean told Vermont Public Radio, "Well, there are future political considerations. We didn't want anything embarrassing in the papers at a critical time in any future endeavor." Dean originally attempted to have his records sealed for 24 years, but had to settle for a 10-year exemption on disclosure. Judicial Watch immediately filed a request for documents to learn the circumstances surrounding the sealed records and is considering filing legal action to have the secret documents released to the American people.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/newsletter/2003/1203c.shtml

It doesnt look like Dean was outv to protect anyone but Dean.

The talks about protecting constituents was an afterthought. to again, cover his ass.

[For PaisAn]

5. sounds like you're misquoting

Dean said Bin Laden should be put on trial. Do you disagree?

[PassingFair]

8. You would prefer...

lopping his head off and displaying it on a pike? Like our unspeakable exploitation of the dead sons of Saddam. What has this country come to?
If you're against a trial, maybe you can mop the blood from beneath the BFEE guillotine.
WTF? Even Jack Ruby got a trial for cripe's sake, and everyone SAW him shoot Oswald.

[AntiCoup2K4]

13. Alright, I'll say it.

As a matter of fact, I DON'T know if Bin Laden is guilty or not. Neither do you. Neither does John Kerry. Neither does Howard Dean.

Does Bin Laden hate America enough to want to do it? Absolutely (provided that everything we were told about the man before 9-11 is true).

Does that mean he could effectively pull off such a complex and expertly timed operation while sitting in a cave in Afghanistan, possibly recovering from a kidney transplant?? Now this is where reasonable doubt comes in.

I'm no defender of Bin Laden, but any sane intelligent person has realized by now that the "official story" of 9-11 put out by the Bush Fraudministration has holes in it large enough to fly a Boeing 757 through. Bin Laden is a likely suspect to be involved, but he had plenty of help. And I don't just mean the 19 MK-Ultra'ed zombies flying the planes either.

[mzmolly]

4. These are the ads Dean needs to run ! Great stuff Ches...

:toast:

[PassingFair]

7. Beautiful!

Kerry has really stood up to the BFEE, hasn't he folks. I remember his impassioned championing of the war protesters after 911. What? He wasn't saying anything? Oh yea, he VOTED to allow the US to unilaterally invade another country, occupy it, and take possession of it's natural resources, while US kids die protecting the BFEE pipelines.

He's a real firebrand alright!

America needs Howard Dean. He is the right man at the right time.

[EllieDem]

9. How about saying you can't release them

because you want to protect consitutiences privacy - but then we find out you can Do that AND release them too. Ha Ha he was caught on that one!!

[funky_bug]

16. Can you say, "Red Herring?"

I can... and I did when I read this thread.

The ad posted said NOTHING about concealing records. It addressed the fact that Kerry, while going around saying NLCB, IWR and Patriot are bad things, hasn't yet apologized for VOTING FOR THEM.

People use red herring tactics when they cannot respond to the initial claim. Dean's sealed records have nothing to do with Kerry's public voting record, which shows he is in favor of the very things he's speaking out against.

Here's the run down of the debate

Kerry: Bush, you led us into war!
Bush: You voted for it.

Kerry: Bush, you haven't done a thing to fund No Child Left Behind.
Bush: I didn't vote for it. You did.

Kerry: Bush, the Patriot Act is destroying our citizens' civil rights.
Bush: You voted for it.

How can we attack the president on any of these issues, if the attacked put his pen to the paper that made them what they are today?

That's the difference between a red herring, and a rebuttal.

[candy331]

10. Loved the ad and hope there are many more

and even better ones where that one came from. Someone has to tell the story of Kerry before the Repugs get to tell it.

[For PaisAn]

11. I love it!

n/t

[mikehiggins]

12. If this is negative, so be it

Kerry is NOT a good candidate to run. His electibility across the nation, among the general voting population, is dubious.

He is a master of saying nothing, in a lot of words, that he cannot back out of at a moment's notice. Faced with BushCo what we need is someone who says what he means, and stands by it without all the buckin' and weavin' that typifies Kerry's positions.

If we can't derail Kerry I'm absolutely certain the GOPers will, and then its four more years of George followed by eight of Jeb and by that time we'll all be living in plantations, those of us not lucky enough to have jobs waiting on the wealthy.

[slinkerwink]

14. exactly........our best hopes lie with Clark or Dean

[ozone_man]

15. Kerry is a rubber stamp for Bush.

Dean and Clark stand up to Bush at every opportunity.