ABC and Diane Sawyer admit culpability re: Dean Iowa Speech

[PassingFair]

Tell the networks we want to here and see this admission 700 times!

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_2004vote_012904dean.html

Please tell Chris Matthews to air this on prime time!

[otohara]

1. Better Late Than Never - Not This Time

CBS News: "Individually we may feel okay about our network, but the cumulative effect for viewers with 24-hour cable coverage is -- it may have been overplayed and, in fact, a disservice to Dean and the viewers."
-- Andrew Heyward, President - CBS News

ABC News: "It's always a danger that we'll use good video too much."
-- David Westin, President - ABC News

CNN: "We've all been wrestling with this. If we had it to do over again, we'd probably pull ourselves back."
-- Princell Hair, General Manager - CNN

Fox News: "It got overplayed a bit, and the public clearly thought that, too, and kept him alive for another round."
-- Roger Ailes, Chairman and CEO - Fox News

[gardenista]

3. Ailes, just unbelievable.

So he's taking credit for the backlash to his attacks on Dean!

Unreal.

[spooky3]

15. these are crummy apologies

Just playing it too much is not the only problem.

[ClintonTyree]

2. Don't count on it...............

most people (including many here at DU) have made up their minds that Dean is too scary :scared: or too crazy :crazy: to be a viable candidate. Of course most Dean supporters knew that the context of that speech was taken completely wrong and embellished beyond belief, but once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there's no putting it back in. The damage has been done and the whore press is totally culpable.

[Fleshdancer]

4. exactly

when people on DU prefer to buy into the whole Dean is too "angry" concept, then there's not much hope for the rest of the country.

It's a shame people allow themselves to be so minipulated by the media.

[EllieDem]

5. Oh good grief .......give it a rest

I watched that speech with the volume all the way down and it still looked scary and weird. Nothing to do with the scream. It was the scary facial contortions. He looked like a madman.

[EllieDem]

7. Its not just that one speech

you combine it with telling that man to sit down and be quiet , to an interview with Dean admitting he sometimes needs to be restrained when he gets angry. He was already earning the reputation of being a hothead and then with that speech it was the final straw. This happened to McCain as well, remember?

[candy331]

8. EllieDem I take exception with your facial contortions

since obviously you have not looked at the natural contortion of the candidate you are supporting. Seems like you have a problem with natural enthusiasm and smiles. You don't like the man say so rather than hide behind a hyped up media story.

[Fleshdancer]

23. Scary facial contortions? Should Dean use botox?

Jeez, if Dean scares you, I wonder what kind of damage your own shadow does to your own psyche. :eyes:

[mzmolly]

6. I honestly think Dean supporters need to bring a class action suit so that

something this irresponsible does not happen again. Any one familiar with the laws governing credibility in news?

[EllieDem]

9. You DO realize that

Dean gave that speech AFTER he had finished a distant 3rd?

[PassingFair]

11. and your point is?

If you have trouble with someone who cares about America and SHOWS it. Someone who cares about his 3,500 teenage/young adult volunteers that walked sidewalks in subzero Iowa weather and still came in third, then I have trouble with YOU.

Why not put your vote to work for a stone-faced, unemotional guy who will quietly acquiesce to the BFEE, vote for the Patriot Act, vote for the Anglo-American Invasion of Iraq, and various other evil empire plots. Hey, why not vote for Kerry? He sounds like your man.

[atldem]

14. You DO realize

that he was giving that speech to over 3000 devoted campaign workers who had just busted their asses to work for him. They canvased in the freezing cold and some came from as far away as California. Would it have been better for him to walk in and say "yeah, thanks." He was trying to lift their spirits and from the looks of the video that was taken from the floor, he did just that.

[iowapeacechief]

34. And then to blame the youthful canvassers!

This is the one I don't understand. If everyone in the room knew they'd come in third, how was it to their advantage for their candidate to act otherwise? How did he encourage them by acting like it was a big victory?

[PassingFair]

40. Watch the abc tape, iowapeacechief

The canvassers were encouraging HIM! He need to shout to make himself heard AT ALL.

[iowapeacechief]

44. Saw it several times (who didn't?), but that doesn't explain...

...why he acted like it was a big win.

[jansu]

28. Yes, and here's the dope.....

..........a verdict on February 14 handed down by the Court of Appeal of the Florida Second District. In that verdict the Court in essence said technically it is not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.

Also a 1964 case out of New York.

[loudsue]

36. That's actually a really good idea, mzmolly

It's time real Americans started holding our press to certain standards of honesty. This was clearly (by their own admission, in fact) intentional slander.

Any DU lawyers here to weigh in??......

:kick:

[texasmom]

10. There is something positive

about reading their statements, but it's no comfort. That was a disgusting display by the media, and until we respond, united against them when they pull these stunts (like the Right does), I fear that they will continue them. There really is no remorse there.

[EllieDem]

12. Candy at least my man

hasn't lost his temper already twice ( at least) People want someone who can control their anger in the white house . sorry but thats the way it is.

[PassingFair]

16. Sorry, but that's the way it is...

YOU'RE RIGHT.Never lost his temper as he rolled over, and over and over,he was too dizzy to lose his temper.

[Darth_Kitten]

21. Name me someone who has NEVER......

lost their temper? Gimme a break..... :eyes:

Maybe we have somebody who CARES about America? :eyes:

[KaraokeKarlton]

26. Oh really? How soon we forget about "Mr. F*ck"

I have to change the channel or hit mute everytime Kerry is on TV when my 3 year old is in the room because of his swearing. He even swore in a debate for crying out loud. I don't call that very presidential or any kind of example I want my kids seeing as president. No thanks. Kerry and his potty mouth can stay right in Massachussetts where he belongs.

[dsc]

33. actually he did

he bitched out a staffer in front of the press. Reported by Des Moines register. He did it the same night as Dean's speech.

[otohara]

38. EllieDem at least your man

got a spine thanks to Gov. Dean - and that applies to Edwards, Gebhardt too.

[peacetalksforall]

13. This is a perfect example how the media assassinates

this is despicable.

Every Dem should keep this alive.

You just witnessed a character assassination.

The apologies will get no attention and the media and the pundits will continue to assassinate. Just listen and you will hear. No one is going to correct another pundit who corrects another. Watch their giggles and chuckles.

Take a look at what we face.

America led by our media is despicable.

And we buy the products that keep them rich.

They are paid by the government, your tax dollars, and corporations - and they assassinate all the little people when they assassinate a candidate.

Listen - this apology won't make one little difference.

[EllieDem]

18. I guess I need to repeat this OVER and OVER

this speech was AFTER the people of Iowa said "NO THANKS" to Howard Dean. Its only natural that the frontrunner Kerry would get a big boost in New Hampshire thereafter. PERIOD

[atldem]

20. No need to repeat anything.

You don't like Dean, we get it. Here's what you do, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM!
You can count on my vote to cancel your's out.

[Darth_Kitten]

22. Can you repeat it just one more time?

I just love the interest you take in Dean.

[bunk76]

17. I would like....

an apology for the last three years of "puppy dog press coverage",this is a joke.I'm still waiting for someone,anyone to ask
the unelected fraud why he opposes an extension for the 9_11 investigation?Will I ever hear this question,I seriously doubt it.
Botox,screams,lets see them tackle real issues,instead of this silly nonsense.May I suggest WMD's or the lack thereof,the soaring deficit,
questionable service records,Haliburton,or perhaps an investigation to discuss all of these issues.



:evilfrown:

[PassingFair]

19. Don't forget the mostly slavish

attendance from congress. We've all seen those great moments of selfless heroics from Kerry, Gephardt, et. al., throughout these nighmarish BFEE years. Oh, crap, I'm dreaming again. Never happened, oh well, they can pretend heroics now. Drinking the kool-aid. A dems a dem. Nothing to see hear. Anybody but Bush.....

[Anwen]

24. I beat you to it!

I wrote to Chris Matthews last night asking him to apologize and play the REAL speech. Right now I'm working on letters to all other networks...

[jansu]

25. The Damage Is Done!

I believe that the "powers that be" did not want someone in, that they could not control and they decided to "get Dean". There is no other reason for this rally cry, taken out of context, without the background sounds, to be broadcast over and over again! Not only in the news, but on late night, on the radio, songs being cut featuring it. You would have thought that Dean had been found with a "dead girl or a live boy"!


These same powers, really do not want the people of this country to rise up and take back the power! They have fought it everywhere else in the world. (Read Noam Chomsky's "HEGEMONY OR SURVIVAL"). And Dean was showing us a way to change this, to give the power back to the people. He was raising the consciousness of the American people, the young, were especially joining his cause. "They" have not forgotten, that it was the young which made them have to get out of Vietnam, by their protest marches. And, there are enough of us, who were young and protesting against that war, now in our 50's and 60's, who have children and grandchildren of fighting age, who were listening and joining.

Too powerful and uncontrollable! So, we must stop him!

Demand that all stations show this ABC admission as many times as they showed the "yell"! This is only fair.....and balanced! The owners of the media should not be deciding who wins for the Democrats! This is wrong, even if they weren't Republicans!

Makes you realize, whom they really don't want to run against, doesn't it?!!

[NewHampster]

27. Write the networks and Boycott Disney

I've written all the networks at their posted general email or complaint address.

I also strongly feel that since Diane Sawyer and crew admitted the foolishness after NH they should make a very sincere public effort to give Dean a chance to speak to the American people. they knew about the floor level tapes days before they released it, but they waited until after the NH damage was complete. Diane Sawyer was an end around a real apology, not the Real Deal,

Disney owns ABC and they should come forward and not only admit the mistake of the out of context video, they must give Governor Dean extended speaking time to converse with ordinary Americans.

Then play the Apology 700 times or more.

Boycott Disney

[foo_bar]

29. it isn't so lopsided

"The media" created Dean in the first place. They made him a household brand name ("Kucinich who?") because a Kerry-dominated primary was a perenial ratings hole. They rightly expected Dean to be a source of entertainment, and Dean did his part to meet expectations.

[jansu]

30. Don't let the Republican owned/controlled media decide the Democrats race

I heard and read about Dean many months before his name ever came up on the Media....through the INTERNET. The Media makes and breaks whomever their owners wish....The Media is Owned mostly by Republicans.....look it up!

We should not allow the Media to decide whom we Democrats want to be our President! That is all I am saying!

I have not supported Dean before, but I am taking a closer look at him now.

[PassingFair]

32. Love it, Jansu!

Look at his record in Vermont. Listen to his California speeches. See how he walked the tightrope between environmental concerns and big business. You can't please all the people, all the time. But Howard kept everyone on track. Read his pamphlet "Common Sense".

[PassingFair]

31. Bull Crap

The MEDIA elected him Gov. of Vermont 5 times?
Dean was WAY under the radar the first time I heard him speaking about the healthcare crisis in this country. This was before the Iraq war. I sent him money BEFORE the Anglo-American Invasion of Iraq.

His popularity was buoyed by hundreds of thousands of donations under $100 from people with little money to spare.

VIVA LE REVOLUTION!

[foo_bar]

41. you'd think he was Che

from the iconic worship of this media invention, soon to be a T-shirt. It's nothing more than brand loyalty to a product you wouldn't pick out of a blind taste test. The "media", of which the internet is a part, told you Kucinich was unelectable so all but 2% followed the herd.

[PassingFair]

43. The "media" didn't tell anyone that DK was unelectable.

He's as electable as Nader was. He wouldn't get a single disgruntled repuke vote. Nice guy, too far left for this country. I sincerely hope Dean gives Dennis his "Department of Peace". And I'm not being sarcastic here. I believe that Howard Dean will shake up the status quo.

[ecstatic]

35. Why aren't they playing the apology over and over again

I'm just now hearing about the apology. Why won't they air the apology 700+ times. Gosh, I feel so much disgust for the media right now!

[Bonobo]

37. Adding my apology

I wan not one of thoe who posted on this, but I was taken aback by it the night of the speech. At this point, I must however apologize that I didn't jump on Dean's defense. The media screwed you all, but good!

Keep you chins up and keep fighting. We need Dean in this party!

[PassingFair]

39. Kick

I want to see Chris Matthew apologize for failing to provide an explanation immediately.

[ScreamingMeemie]

42. For the good of the Democratic Party, I am glad that Diane Sawyer

did this. I would like to see it aired again and again. It is time for the people to make the media accountable.

[David Zephyr]

45. Kick!

:thumbsup: