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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:18 PM
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Edwards "Clark comes from a different place"
THAT'S LIFE
Southern Inhospitality
by Michelle Cottle

In recent weeks, it's been hard to watch John Edwards on the campaign trail without feeling so hopeful, optimistic, and uplifted that you want to puke. Forget half-full, this candidate's glass perpetually runneth over. He simply could not be more hopeful, optimistic, and upbeat about the way this race is shaping up. Even in the wake of his perfectly adequate but hardly electrifying near-tie for third in New Hampshire, the smile never wavered. No shadow of disappointment dimmed those lovely, twinkly eyes. No sign of weariness creased that hunky brow. And nary a cross or unflattering word was uttered about the obnoxious political media, the crotchety, fickle New Hampshire voters, the wretched New Hampshire winter, or the rest of the Democratic pack. Except...

When pestered about whether the son-of-the-South mantle that Edwards has been brandishing as an advantage in a match-up with President Bush might also apply to General Wesley Clark, Senator Sunshine reportedly turned just the teensiest bit peevish. Insisting that living in the South his whole life has made him "intimately familiar" with its issues in a way that Clark couldn't possibly understand, Edwards (optimistically and hopefully) huffed, "General Clark comes from a different place."

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=life&s=cottle013004
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:23 PM
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1. Oh Really?
Since when is being from the South and being from the South...A "different place?" Oh, I get it....Clark is known around the WORLD and Mr. pretty boy TRIAL lawyer is known in WASHINGTON and NC..where it really matters. :eyes: he's so lame. Comb your hair Johnny....you need to look pretty for your concession speech. :grr:
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:26 PM
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5. uh huh...more
Of course, bad schools and poor health care aren't the only Southern Issues of which politicians often profess an intimate knowledge. There is also that most delicate and thorny of topics: race relations. Unfortunately for Edwards, there's no indication that he, despite a wildly lucrative legal career fighting for the little guy, has ever taken a particular interest in the rights of African Americans. This is not to suggest that Edwards doesn't care about the black community. But neither can he claim the special connection to or affinity for it that, say, a Bill Clinton could.

Then there's Clark's military background. It's not as though Clark fled the South to go produce sit-coms in Hollywood or software in Seattle. While Edwards was hanging around North Carolina, litigating his way into the ranks of the landed gentry, Clark was working his way up through the ranks of the United States Army. The general spent 34 years in the military. Looked at from a certain perspective, you can't get much more Southern than that. Whatever it's flaws, the South is a deeply patriotic place that consistently sends far more than its fair share of young people off to war.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:24 PM
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2. Et tu, Mr. Edwards?
What say you go after Mr. Kerry, the frontrunner?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:37 PM
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10. he was asked about clark
he was specifically asked about clark that's why he answered as he did there. he was asked about kerry before also and said he intends to beat kerry in south carolina.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:45 PM
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13. he didn't HAVE to answer that way about Clark
it was a pretty baseless smear attempt...as the article points out
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:25 PM
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3. well, clark is sort of a faux southerner
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 12:27 PM by jenk
accent wise at least, Edwards out southerns Clark, for what it's worth.

clark is from illinois, so the south is more his adopted home, Edwards could pass for "good ole' boy", clark can't. maybe he doesn't want to.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:35 PM
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9. read the whole article??
doesn't sound like it
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:23 PM
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18. oh fer chrissakes
the guy moved to Arkansas after his father died when he was 4. give me a break.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:53 PM
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23.  faux southerner ?
Edwards out-southerns Clark accent wise? Well, thank goodness that's not too thin. :eyes:

Clark is a southern gentleman officer
Edwards = Opie

A one term senator that couldn't get reelected in his own state with almost zero foreign policy creds is not going to win against Bush in this election cycle.

I want to win.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:02 PM
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24. Actually, when he really lets loose, you can totally hear Clark's accent.
His Southern one, that is. I suspect he's not as "good ol' boy" as Edwards becausse Clark's education has been more broad and diversified.
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Dark Star Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:25 PM
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4. I loved that article!
Of course, I generally do enjoy Cottle's work, but still, it was nice to chuckle and smile while reading a complete article someone has posted.

The article makes me long for a Clark/Edwards ticket.

Thanks very much.
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Dark Star Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:27 PM
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6. er uh
I guess I wasn't reading the same article as the first 3 responders...either that or I'm just feeling lighthearted. Whichever, I thoroughly enjoyed the article.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:08 PM
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15. good article but peavish remark by JE n/t
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 01:15 PM by windansea
edit JK to JE
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:12 PM
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16. JK ?
john kerry ?
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:14 PM
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17. oops sorry meant JE n/t
will try to edit
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Dark Star Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:34 PM
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20. "peavish remark"
Hey, this is politics. It's like sausage...

Don't sweat the small stuff.

:hi:


:kick:
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:04 PM
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25. I liked to get peaved
and use the word peavish...heh heh
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:29 PM
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7. Edward is possibly more of a phony than KopyKat Kerry
And that's not easy to accomplish. Edwards gets more of his money from wealthy donors than anyone else in the race. His populist talk of "two Americas" can't possibly ring true to anyone. He embodies everything that was wrong with Clinton with very little of the native intelligence and understanding of people.
Now he is saying Clark is not a real southerner? Jeez, talk about slick and opportunistic.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:30 PM
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8. he has to try and win an election
in case you haven't noticed
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:41 PM
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11. he's a bit toooooo slick for me
his donor demographics are closest to Bush of all the candidates

only 3% of Edwards donors are less than $200 while 65% are from $2000+ donors...Chimpy's numbers are 12% (under $200) and 73% ($2000)

populist grass roots anyone??

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/donordems.asp?format=&sortby=2
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:44 PM
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12. clark has to announce he's southern. Edwards can't hide it.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 12:49 PM
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14. true...but there's a lot more to being southern
than a thick drawl...Edward's loves to play up his "son of a mill worker" theme but while he was making millions suing doctors Clark was working his way up in the military...dodging bullets and earning peanuts
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:13 PM
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28. Clark was born in Chicago.
So that means Clark is not southerner.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:56 PM
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32. Wrong! Sorry.
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 03:48 PM by in_cog_ni_to
I was born in Oklahoma. My parents moved to Illinois when I was 1 year old. I am not a southerner because I was born there. I've lived in Illinois my entire life. I'm 48. I am a midwesterner. Give me a break. Edwards remark was shameful. Clark GREW up in Arkansas from the age of 4....he's a southerner, whether Edwards or you want to admit it.

Go Wes!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:30 PM
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19. LOL! Edward's feeling of sole entitlement to the mantle of 'Southern son'
is not only annoying, but blatantly false. That article was great! Thanks! :D
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:45 PM
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36. no problem
:)
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:38 PM
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21. Edwards has alot of nerve but do we really expect anything else from
another Washington politican that handed *Bush everything he asked for during the war? Kerry and Edwards are in the same boat!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:41 PM
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22. is this another Arkansas joke???
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:46 PM
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30. arkansas joke ?
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:04 PM
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26. Edwards is doing better in the south than Clark.
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 02:07 PM by MATTMAN
Edwards is connecting better with southerns than Clark is. But Clark is not really a southener because he was born in Chicago but lived in Little Rock.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:13 PM
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27. Clark was raised in Little Rock
from 4 yrs old and up...
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:29 PM
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29. I know where Clark was raised.
I have seen better cheap shots against Edwards than this. It goes back to what I said before Edwards is connecting with SC voters better than Clark.

So please stop with these desperate attacks.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:50 PM
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31. Edwards made the cheap shot
not me :)
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:57 PM
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33. Stop with these desperate attacks? You must be kidding
Or have VERY thin skin. Edwards is the one who made the snarky remark.

His halo slipped for just a moment and it showed up in the press.

Where is the "desperate attack"?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:59 PM
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34. Wrong AGAIN!
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 03:48 PM by in_cog_ni_to
I was born in Oklahoma. My parents moved to Illinois when I was 1 year old. I am not a southerner because I was born there. I've lived in Illinois my entire life. I'm 48. I am a midwesterner. Give me a break. Edwards remark was shameful. Clark GREW up in Arkansas from the age of 4....he's a southerner, whether Edwards or you want to admit it.

Go Wes!

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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:01 PM
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35. right..it's where you are raised
not where you are born
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:49 PM
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37. I wish the article said what question Edwards was asked.
It's not even clear the writer was there when Edwards was asked the question.

...but I suppose it makes for a more interesting story when there is a 7-word quote and the rest of the article is editorialized.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:51 PM
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39. there were lots of facts
mixed in with the opinion
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:49 PM
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38. Edwards is green.
That's his only problem, he just needs a little aging. And, yes, I know he's 50. I'd vote for him this year because his heart IS in the right place. He's an ok guy, I just wish he had a little more seasoning.
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