so now we all know about NSA and spying and listening. if we

[catmother]

know, so do the terrorists -- so they're not going to do or say anything that could be monitored by bushco. it was the same thing when osama was using a satellite phone. someone leaked it to the press and he stopped. the terrorists know everything that goes on. their not stupid. so does it make sense to keep this up?

[Vincardog]

1. The leak was Republican running on his bad Ass tough on terrorism record

[babylonsister]

2. What we ALSO know, though they're not admitting it, is

WE are being spied on. Their mantra of not fessing up when it's in all of our faces, is a sight to behold.

The price of domestic spying: Infiltrated by feds, antiwar group turns on photographer

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/The_price_of_domestic_spy...

Carlos Miller
Published: January 24, 2006


MIAMI -- The first time federal agents infiltrated the Broward Antiwar Coalition was in July 2003, two months before a planned protest against President George W. Bush, according to one member of the South Florida activist group.

The second time was in September 2003, two months before the infamous Free Trade Area of the Americas meeting in downtown Miami, which resulted in several lawsuits against the Miami Police Department for using excessive force against protesters.

And the third time was less than a year ago, just days before the Organization of American States meeting in downtown Fort Lauderdale, said Ray Del Papa, one of the original members of the activist group.

Each time, it was a different person who had joined their group or befriended one of its members, asking prying questions and knowing just a little too much personal information about the activists. Each time, the individual seemed to contradict statements they had made about themselves and their background. And each time, that person would disappear within a few months, never to be heard from again.

So last month, when NBC revealed that the federal government had been spying on antiwar groups around the country, including several in South Florida, it confirmed what Broward Antiwar Coalition members had suspected for more than two years: that Big Brother had been watching all along.

And it left them with a simmering rage -- and paranoia from being spied upon -- that exploded on the streets of Miami earlier this month when one of its members allegedly attacked a photojournalist, landing the activist in jail. The incident revealed the untold price of domestic surveillance: that people who feel they are being spied upon are liable to turn on each other.

lots more...

[catmother]

3. well yes we know that. wasn't the quacker women who were

against the war labelled "threat". are we here at DU "threats"?

[babylonsister]

4. Part of their spin on spying is it's only connected to anyone

involved w/Al Quaeda. Patently not true, but no one is calling them on it despite all the stories coming out to the contrary.

[catmother]

5. i know they keep trying to make that "perfectly clear" but we know

better. i'm not going to watch what i say on the phone or in e-mails. BTW: my husband works for an international computer company and he said that all e-mail is routed through a site in virginia. now i wonder where that is. :sarcasm:

[catmother]

6. i can't believe it. he's on now babbling on about listening to

terrorists. doesn't he realize that they are listening to what he's saying? and does he think we're that stupid that we believe that's what he's really doing?