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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:22 AM
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Tone deaf poltical class: They don't get Howard Dean or the Net
Edited on Wed Dec-24-03 09:23 AM by HFishbine
Even after Saddam Hussein was captured last weekend, all that some people could talk about was Howard Dean. Neither John Kerry nor Joe Lieberman could resist punctuating their cheers for an American victory with sour sideswipes at the front-runner they still cannot fathom (or catch up to). Pundits had a nearly unanimous take on the capture's political fallout: Dr. Dean, the one-issue candidate tethered to Iraq, was toast — or, as The Washington Post's Tom Shales memorably put it, "left looking like a monkey whose organ grinder had run away."

I am not a partisan of Dr. Dean or any other Democratic candidate. I don't know what will happen on Election Day 2004. But I do know this: the rise of Howard Dean is not your typical political Cinderella story. The constant comparisons made between him and George McGovern and Barry Goldwater — each of whom rode a wave of anger within his party to his doomed nomination — are facile. Yes, Dr. Dean's followers are angry about his signature issue, the war. Dr. Dean is marginalized in other ways as well: a heretofore obscure governor from a tiny state best known for its left-wing ice cream and gay civil unions, a flip-flopper on some pivotal issues and something of a hothead. This litany of flaws has been repeated at every juncture of the campaign this far, just as it is now. And yet the guy keeps coming back, surprising those in Washington and his own party who misunderstand the phenomenon and dismiss him.

The elusive piece of this phenomenon is cultural: the Internet. Rather than compare Dr. Dean to McGovern or Goldwater, it may make more sense to recall Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy. It was not until F.D.R.'s fireside chats on radio in 1933 that a medium in mass use for years became a political force. J.F.K. did the same for television, not only by vanquishing the camera-challenged Richard Nixon during the 1960 debates but by replacing the Eisenhower White House's prerecorded TV news conferences (which could be cleaned up with editing) with live broadcasts. Until Kennedy proved otherwise, most of Washington's wise men thought, as The New York Times columnist James Reston wrote in 1961, that a spontaneous televised press conference was "the goofiest idea since the Hula Hoop."

Such has been much of the reaction to the Dean campaign's breakthrough use of its chosen medium. In Washington, the Internet is still seen mainly as a high-velocity disseminator of gossip (Drudge) and rabidly partisan sharpshooting by self-publishing excoriators of the left and right. When used by campaigns, the Internet becomes a synonym for "the young," "geeks," "small contributors" and "upper middle class," as if it were an eccentric electronic cousin to direct-mail fund-raising run by the acne-prone members of a suburban high school's computer club. In other words, the political establishment has been blindsided by the Internet's growing sophistication as a political tool — and therefore blindsided by the Dean campaign — much as the music industry establishment was by file sharing and the major movie studios were by "The Blair Witch Project," the amateurish under-$100,000 movie that turned viral marketing on the Web into a financial mother lode.


more: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/21/arts/21RICH.html?ei=5007&en=035abc452122c4ec&ex=1387342800&partner=USERLAND&pagewanted=print&position=n=
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:29 AM
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1. This is from last Sunday's paper. It was posted last Saturday.
And discussed.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:36 AM
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2. So because of that, we can't see it now?
Thanks for being the arbiter of what I can read.

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floridaguy Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:51 AM
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4. Bush could squish Dean like a bug . . . .

Although the pop-culture lesson was nice, the bottom line is in the title . .

Do the Democrats really want to see a squished bug in November?

Wesley Clark can & will beat George Bush in November, and the fact that he is knocking on Dean's back door, after only two months of campaigning, shows how strong he is.

Democrats, please elect the most "electable" candidate.

Wesley Clark
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:23 AM
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13. So what if Dean gets "squished" by Bush. Howard smiteth the evil DLC which
will make America safe from "Bushlite".
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:25 AM
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14. Whoa. Defeating the DLC is more important than defeating AWOL?
Priority check, aisle one.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:42 AM
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18. "We need to remake the Democratic Party" said Al Gore as he endorsed Dean.
translation: Screw the party apparatus, we and our internet buddies will be running the show from now on.

Hey, if they win the presidency in the process, that's icing on the cake.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 04:08 PM
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21. Judging from the failing Dem party apparat lately, is that a bad thing?
I think not. I don't know who, sensibly, would support a failing institution. If you continually fail to do your job well, how long are you safely employed?


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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:51 AM
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5. You're welcome. It's a dupe.
nt
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:58 AM
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9. Your reply is also
a dupe......:evilgrin:
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:51 AM
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6. some of us missed it
So I am glad to read it now.
Deans campaign will go far beyond the Internet. Already people are signing up by the thousands to travel to other states and hit the pavement. People are writing letters by snail mail. People are running voter registration drives.
Yes this is an Internet driven campaign, but it doesn't stop there.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:56 AM
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7. I really appreciate the post.
Edited on Wed Dec-24-03 09:59 AM by liberalnurse
I worked 12-hr shifts on last weekend and never got to come here and visit like I wanted. Keeping each other informed is such a fine kindness.


:pals:
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:57 AM
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8. I have a keen memory
and sensitive feelings.......
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:05 AM
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10. Me too.
nt
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:14 AM
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12. Now lets get honest.
Edited on Wed Dec-24-03 10:21 AM by liberalnurse
A search can set you free. Don't you realize, road rage is dangerous.

Identified Clark supports who are obviously intimidated by the Dean camp tend to resort to bully tactics. Sadly they are rendered to fellow democrats.

Lets all be kind to one another......we are suppose to be on the same mission.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:31 AM
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15. Some of us who critique Dean were anti-Bush fight when Dean was

still saying "I like George Bush, he's a good guy," (Dean, 1999).

When we were on the streets against the war, Dean was on the sidelines.

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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 09:49 AM
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3. the internet effect may be maxed out
'THE INTERNET

To a greater extent than has been done before, Howard Dean’s campaign has utilized the Internet to raise campaign contributions, communicate information and generate enthusiasm among supporters. Among those likely Democratic primary voters who access the Internet, Howard Dean is the top candidate. 18% of this group would like to see him as the nominee, followed by Wesley Clark with 13% and Gephardt with 11%.

But Democratic primary voters don’t seem much more likely than registered voters overall to be using the Internet to obtain information about candidates -- and fewer than one in five are doing so. 16% of Democratic primary voters with Internet access (and 17% of registered voters) have visited a campaign, candidate, party or other political web site for information on the upcoming presidential election. '

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/23/opinion/polls/main590018.shtml


and this doesn't even touch on the issue of the digital divide, which will make an internet effort even less of a factor with our base of low income people.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:12 AM
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11. "Internet maxed out." Too funny.
Edited on Wed Dec-24-03 10:14 AM by HFishbine
The point you are missing is this:

But the big Dean innovation is to empower passionate supporters to leave their computer screens entirely to hunt down unwired supporters as well and to gather together in real time at face-to-face meetings they organize on their own with no help from (or cost to) the campaign hierarchy.

I guess some still don't get the meaning of "tone deaf."
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:35 AM
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16. Let them keep missing the point
While other candidates' supporters are looking away, thinking that all the polls don't matter, that the Internet isn't really changing politics, and that Dean is unelectable, we will be squishing the other candidates, and then shrub. Underestimating your competition is the greatest undoing of those running. Fortunately, Dean hasn't relented one bit in fighting for every vote, takes nothing for granted, and knows that not one vote yet has been cast.
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Yavonne Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:47 AM
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19. well if the performance of the people you reference
is similar to the ones i have witnessed here and elsewhere on the net, i doubt the effect will be what you envision.

once you move beyond the self selected who respond to meet-ups and take the arrogance and condescension that is a hallmark of the internet dean supporters into the real world i think you will see the problem.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 02:42 PM
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20. Hi Yavonne!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 04:27 PM
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22. Seems your argument is
all those people who are organized on the net mean nothing when they get out in the real world.

Sounds like an ostrich aproach to me. thousands of suporters leaving thier computers to spread Deans message.. Nothing to see here move along.

Sounds like the article refrenced here is directed at you.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 05:10 PM
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23. oh...i get it...the AMWAY EFFECT
multi-level- marketing...ok...i get it now.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 10:39 AM
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17. The real lesson that should be learned is....
when a grassroots movement like this takes off - at a time when the party desperately needs some momentum - you don't try to crush it. If you think they're following the wrong guy, then you sell yourself to them - yes, you "pander" to the people. That's your job. Praise Dean for what his campaign has done, then sell yourself as the most qualified to lead. You now have the attention of a half-million energized Democrats - most of whom were down on politics before Dean simply gave them (& me) a platform to participate. You don't dismiss what is currently the most vocal, active, popular & donation-giving segment of your party as a bunch of "cultists". Say what you want about Dean, but quit ignoring the grassroots of the party. Same goes for Kucinich & his supporters.

Hey, Coke may have done all the work to get me drinking pop at a young age, but now I prefer Mountain Dew.
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