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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:14 AM
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On CNN with Wolf Blitzer just now
Wolfie and 2 guys talking about Scalito and CAP. One of the guys was Jeffrey Toobin. I think the other guy was Jeff Greenfield (?). Anyway, the Greenfield (?) guy is excusing Scalito's membership in CAP because "that was then, this is now." To paraphrase: "At the time, conservatives were fed up with the campus protests and stuff like that. I think this was just his honest response to that. Maybe IF HE HAD KNOWN he'd be up for S. Court someday, maybe he might not have gone with CAP."

Oh, yeah?

So let me get this straight: John Kerry's anti-war activities during the 60's (which, incidentally, I fully agree with) were TOTALLY RELEVANT to his presidential run in 2004, but Strip Search Sammy Scalito's proud mention of his CAP membership in the EIGHTIES is NOT relevant to his consideration for Supreme Court in 2006?

Yeah, okay. So it is, in corrupt repukelican world.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:16 AM
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1. You don't get it
if you are a repuke, you can do anything and it will be right. If you are a Democrat, nothing you do is ever right-and if it is, repukes lie about it to make it appear to be wrong.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:19 AM
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4. Oh yeah... and I also forgot it wasn't Lindsay-Boy who made her cry
... it was those danged democrats!!!:banghead:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:18 AM
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2. Amazing the motives that they can attribute to Alito
regarding why he was part of group that he can't remember being part of, or and that there seems to be no record of him being part of.

The bottom line, the guy lied on an application for a WH job and he continues to lie about that an many other things.

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:20 AM
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5. You know, I think that's the theme that is emerging from all this
--from all these various issues they've taken up with him. One single theme: whatever his views, Mr. Alito is a liar.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:44 AM
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15. Bingo! Interestingly enough, it was Graham who pointed out that
Ruth Bader Ginsburg was very open with her positions and got confirmed by a huge majority. Scalito, on the other hand, keeps trying to evade - why is he so ashamed of his positions?

Wouldn't that HUGH majority of Americans who agree with all these Neo-cons/KKKristians be solidly behind him if he just were man enough to take a stand? :sarcasm:
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:44 AM
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20. Waal, Ah'm shore Senatuh Gra-ham still has the vapors
ev'ry time he looks at that li'l ol' lib'rul Ruth Ginsburg lady, a-settin' thar on the Yoo-Ess Supreme Court.

Lindsay has discovered that some o' them Eye-talian Amuricans are real conservative types. He may even have discovered that Catholics believe in the infallibility of the POPE. So... why not the infallibility of the PREZNIT, too?

(Disclaimer: I'm a Catholic.)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:18 AM
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3. Wanna bet that had Kerry joined the GOP crowd when he came back from Nam
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 11:23 AM by blm
that he would have been in his second term by now?

This crowd sticks together through thick and thin - the bitterness, the power and the money keeps them stuck together like glue.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:22 AM
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8. Yes--snot is very sticky.
I'm so totally sick of our whole country being in the thrall of these filthy people... it's like a persistent, antibiotic-resistant, deadly, infection. And we might die from it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 08:01 AM
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28. You're probably right
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 08:03 AM by karynnj
And they would have run him as the All American boy, a war hero, lawyer, prosecutor, Senator. The pictures of windsurfing, along with pictures of him playing ice hockey, would have been used to show how healthy, vigorous, athletic and coordinated he was. His impeccable manners and politeness would have been positively compared to whatever rude (per the media) candidate the Democrats ran. We would be sick of hearing him described as the Republican JFK with his lovely (jackie like wife)who helps so many people through her charities and look at those lovely all-American kids.

This is a lot easier than making Bush look good. Kerry, in reality, has most of the characteristics Americans say they want.

So, yeah you're right - Kerry likely could have been President - all he would have had to do was sell his soul.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:20 AM
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6. I wrote a very polite, detailed letter to Toobin about this this morning
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 11:21 AM by Atman
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:23 AM
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9. Toobin did not reply at the time. However, he had said some things
earlier. I didn't hear any of the little round table except the part I posted about, b/c the TeeVee was on mute before that.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:21 AM
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7. Caller on CSPAN this morning:
From Princeton - said Alito's forgetfulness over CAP is not credible. He reminded us that Princeton is one of the top schools in the country and at that time, Alito had to be invited to join. Any student who joined a group such as CAP was fully are of the philosphies and principals of the group - they didn't take it lightly. And, Alito purposefully used CAP on his job app for the Reagan Administration to get the job.

The caller was articulate and knowledgeable and hires Princeton students and grads to work at his business.

So not only is Alito's membership relevant, his apparent amnesia over the whole thing is even more relevant because it just doesn't seem fathomable.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:26 AM
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10. Agreed, and furthermore, a Supreme Court justice should
have at least a passably good memory, because they supposedly decide cases based on precedent. If you can't remember any of the precedents, how could you perform the job even adequately?

Sammy's strange amnesia needs to be checked by a doctor.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:59 AM
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17. Selective amnesia.
I heard him cite minute details from 15 year old cases without pause yesterday.
The name's of the litigants and outcomes of the trials rolled off his toungue easily, displaying the photographic memory expected of a man at his level of professionalism.

He can't remember what he meant by "traditional values" though.
He can't recall anything about CAP at all.

Liar, liar, your robe is on fire.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:38 AM
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19. Touche.
It just figures that being a liar is now the top qualifying point for becoming a Supreme Court justice.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:27 AM
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11. He also admitted as such that he was applying for a conservative position
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 11:29 AM by rumpel
and did only mention "small political contributions" and no charitable gifts he had made in the application.
Which to me implies he will tweak, and only disclose convenient matters as he sees fit.

That is a major problem.


fixed typo
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:54 AM
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25. Again and again, only one character trait comes to the fore with this man:
He's a LIAR.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:28 AM
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12. If it was Jeff Greefield - know that you were listening to a CNN pimp for
the WH. Yes, Republicans are saints and despise Dems for their failings. If that was then and this is now, there would be no one slamming Kennedy every day and no one, including slimy hosts, uttering the words Monica or blue dress. They are all time hypocrites.

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SamuelAlito Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:31 AM
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13. I might say I forget to the senators
But I make it entirely clear why I joined on my blog.

The Right Honorable Samuel A. Alito, Jr.
The A stands for Awesome.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:40 AM
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14. I wonder if Greenfield's position on "that was then, this is now" would
have applied (before Scalito's hemming and hawing) to Senator Byrd's brief fling with the KKK half a century ago?

I doubt it . . . every time the KKK comes up, they attach Byrd to it . . . despite the KKK feeling that these days, the Repukes are far too liberal . . .
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:44 AM
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16. is it possible to placate the Republicans more than this crowd?
repulsive.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:53 AM
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24. Remember when people thought the media types
were liberal because of their ideology?

Oh, I know we're under no such illusion now, but there was a time when it seemed that reporters were seen as liberal crusaders.

But money has changed all that. Money. I used to think that the repukes had "won over" the media by subtly coaxing them, with advantages like "access", etc. Now I know that they have just flat-out paid them. Just handed them money, and bought them. Flagrantly. Openly. Period!

After all, we all know that PROFIT is the most important thing in the world.:sarcasm:
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:05 PM
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18. you should email that to him
jeff.greenfield@turner.com
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:50 AM
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23. Thanks! LOL... I will... if I can ascertain for sure that it was
Jeff Greenfield, and not some other pundit. (Sorry, Mr. Greenfield, you haven't sufficiently entered my consciousness yet, but if that was you on CNN this morning, congrats--you finally made a splash...)
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:44 AM
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21. the child is father of the man - Wordsworth
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 03:04 AM by Neil Lisst
That era was immersed in the battle of special admissions and the attempts to play catch up after centuries of discrimination. Either you stood up or you joined the white good old boys club.

Everything in his life says he has always sided with wealth, power, and the ruling elites. He's as dangerous as Scalia, if not as big a loud mouth.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:48 AM
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22. Catholic doctrine teaches that the Pope is infallible.
(I was raised Catholic.)

Fine. That's religion.

But now we have a little man who wants to say the President is infallible.

Not fine.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:04 AM
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26. I hear you. No such thing as infallible in humankind.
This guy Alito has a lifelong mindset, and what' most disturbing is his willingness and ability to lie about it so he can get on the SC to make his archaic views the law of the land.

He must be filibustered, no matter the outcome.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 07:29 AM
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27. Isn't it apparent Alito lied under oath about this organization?
He said he didn't know what they stood for or he wouldn't have joined. Why would anyone sign up for an organization they knew nothing about? It makes no sense.
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