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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:04 PM
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The reason for the investigation of NSA leak...
This is pure speculation on my part but in my opinion...

This Administration is attempting to intimidate any thoughts of further leaks that might come out. They have probably heard rumors? It's a cowardly and criminal way to act but since when did that stop this Administration? Is this going to intimidate the NY Times? What do they hope to accomplish? I think they may be flailing at windmills?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:08 PM
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1. I doubt they're serious about actually investigating
I think they'd rather the whole story die. I think you're right about intimidation. Plus, they want to paint the leak as a crime, not the spying. My guess is that the whole thing will die quietly.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:10 PM
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2. And they want to convince their ditto followers...
that the leak was the crime and they are looking for the "leaker", like they're looking for Osama Bin Laden...
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:30 PM
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9. Exactly n/t
n/t
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danalytical Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:17 PM
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3. Preemptive strike
It seems to me they are striking preemtively at the leaker and warning would be leakers like you mentioned, but they are also trying to change the subject and fortify this ridiculous notion that the leak is serious, yet the content of the leak isn't worthy of investigation. It works. Most Americans are stupid. I know I have to try explaining things to them everyday. Most people look at me like I'm evil when I tell them the truth which is almost always at the opposing end to these propaganda stories.

Around a year ago I was talking about Iraq my friends father, who is a conservative Republican. I stated that the "terrorists" are actually Sunni Iraqi's in the Baghdad region, and Shiite's in Najaf. Other than that there are a handful of outsiders there as well, but the majority is internal. He said "where do you get your news from"? I said, "not Fox news if I want it to be correct". He went on to explain how Iraq was full of outsider terrorists, they were there before US forces stepped foot in Iraq, and that Iraqi's wanted us to be there.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 01:50 PM
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7. "Most Americans are stupid."--danalytical
I don't agree with this. Let me give you some stats. My favorite: 58% of the American people opposed the war in Iraq in Feb. '03 (before the invasion). That number's in the 70% range to day. Of that 58%, about half opposed the Iraq war outright, and the other half would only support it if it was a UN peacekeeping mission (i.e., had world consensus), not preemptive war by Bush. So the American people were onto Bush way back then.

My other favorite: 63% of the American people opposed torture "under any circumstances." (May '04.) This, despite relentless fear-mongering and war-mongering. People sticking to their sense of ethics, and lawfulness, and right behavior, despite all. And that number, as well as the first one, has to include many Republicans.

You name the issue. The Iraq War. Torture. The deficit. Social Security. Women's rights. The great majority of Americans disapprove of every Bush policy, foreign and domestic, way up in the 60% to 70% range, in a range of polls over a period of several years.

This is not a stupid and uninformed people. This is a DISEMPOWERED, and, above all, a DISENFRANCHISED people.

Let me tell you what I think is happening with those of us who are members of the great American progressive MAJORITY and who get into a lonely and depressed state of mind when we encounter other Americans who ARE stupid and uninformed. First of all, we have, in our subconscious minds, an IMPRESSION given to us by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies that we progressives are in the minority. They do this by giving a BIG TRUMPET to rightwing views, way out proportion to their numbers. So we hear it and see it and read it 24/7: the VERY mis-named "mainstream media" creates an ILLUSION of the prevalence of rightwing views in the POPULATION that is out of sync with reality. And we can hardly escape having this falsehood implanted in our brains.

Secondly, we are talking to the wrong people. We may even be zeroing in on the wrong people. We may be fatally attracted to people with these MINORITY rightwing views. The illusion that the news media creates that rightwing views are in the majority may be luring us into frustrating conversations with people whose views are diametrically opposed to ours and to the MAJORITY of Americans. They will never be convinced. They are the hard right, who have always been with us. They are not into reasonable argument, and never have been. There might be a squishy 10% in there--in Bush's 30% to 40% total support--who are open to discussion. So I'm not saying, never talk to a Republican. (Also, there's that 10% or so, in the above stats on the war and on torture, who are probably Republicans, who are being silent within their party out of fear.) The 30% hardcore also may be emboldened by THEIR illusion that their views are majority views, and may speak out more, be more open about ill informed, unreasonable, or just plain disgusting views (like not caring if prisoners are tortured, or approving of Bush spying on everyone, or hating immigrants or Arabs). They may be more likely to put bumper stickers on their cars, and to advertise their minority views--because they hear this crap on the radio all the time. And Russ Limbaugh and others give then 'taking points' to support stupid opinions.

OR, you could be truly caught in a pocket of right-wingerism. I'm not saying it can't happen. In either case--whether you are focusing too much on wingers, or you can't avoid them--instead of talking to them, you should be talking to your brothers and sisters in the progressive MAJORITY, seeking them out, helping to empower them, assuring them that they are not alone. Just dismiss the wingers. Don't get into arguments with them. Or if there are possible progressives present, argue with the winger--quietly, reasonably, with great self-assurance, and with no intention to convert a winger--FOR THE SAKE OF THE PROGRESSIVE AUDIENCE.

I think that this illusion of rightwing hegemony, that the war profiteering corporate news monopolies create, makes some of us afraid. We feel we don't live in a good, democratic, progressive, peace-loving, justice-loving country any more. So we may feel anxious to convince wingers, with facts and reason (never happen). We also have good reason to fear the Bush junta, so we get even more anxious.

We need to learn to go about in confidence that most other Americans are with us--that many are better informed than we may think, that many may be hungry for information and for connection with other progressives, AND that many may be afraid to speak up because they don't realize that they are part of the majority, nor how radical and out of sync Bushites and their supporters are, and how few there are, overall.

One thing such progressives may NEED to know is about election fraud--the Bushite corporations now own and control the electronic voting machines that tabulate all our votes, and run them with 'TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls. This will relieve progressives' minds about what other Americans think. (Kerry really did win the election--by about a 5% margin, and maybe more, when all the voter suppression and purges of Dem voters is added in. The evidence for this is overwhelming.) It's better to know that you have been disenfranchised, than not to know--and to go on believing that the majority of Americans are nuts. But tell them: DON'T give up on voting! Never, never give up! We have to force local/state election officials, and our silent and collusive Democratic Party leaders, to restore election integrity and transparency.

Don't bother with uninformed or stupid people. Fight the corporate-created illusion that they are the majority. Talk to the bright ones, and buck them up.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:17 PM
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4. Cowardly & criminal is what they do best.
Even better than screwing the People. And you thought this administration was good for nothing!
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SeattleVet Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:29 PM
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5. They are attempting to frame it as being a "leaker" instead of ...
as a "whistleblower" who exposed their illegal actions. Watch and see if they are as diligent about putting down this whistleblower as they have been about finding a true leaker who exposed the identity of a covert CIA agent.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:33 PM
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6. And to think Bush has been sitting down in Crawford planning a strategy...
for the last week or so, and this is what he comes up with? They are drowning.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:05 PM
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8. the Bushies have put a little too much rummy in their eggnogs...
This is so blatantly more killing the messenger
instead of addressing any injustices in their own
administration. Even the Sheeple are seeing
Bush Inc. doesn't care about justice, the Constitution
or rule of law anymore.

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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:33 PM
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10. But they have no problem with whoever leaked Plame
go figure
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:02 PM
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11. Intimidation factor...
They want to scare as many people as they can from coming forward and exposing Bush's felonies.

Doug D.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:20 PM
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12. I was hoping it was a nightmare as I kept falling back asleep, but
then I'd wake up and hear it again on the tv news.

Imagine the timing on THIS one!

Have we yet heard of what *'s staff said when he asked, as we surely know he did, if any were involved in the Plame leak? Hahaha.

:sarcasm:

This investigation comes either incredibly late in the game, considering that the NY Times has had the story for a couple years.

Or it comes incredibly early, considering how recently the story broke.

I N T I M I D A T I O N

is making me sick.

Are they in the last throes of their corrupt reign, and know it at some possibly less than conscious level?
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