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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:46 PM
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POOR PEOPLE ARE RUINING AMERICA
Poor people are ruining America. This is what I learned from reading some conservative websites lately. First of all the conservatives point out that the poor don’t really exist. We progressives have apparently been all wrong on this point. They point out that although real hardship does occur in America, it is rare. Most of the so-called "poor" live in material conditions considerable more comfortable than when the motherless David Copperfield was shipped to London to live with Wilkins Micawber for example.

Now, technically they will admit that there are over 35 million Americans under the poverty level. But they argue that those census numbers are misleading. First, most families under the poverty level have color TVs nowadays. David Copperfield had no TV (he may have had TB – but we’ll talk about healthcare in a moment). Can you really call someone “poor” if they have a TV?


A "poor" Mom contemplates a drive to McDonalds while her children enjoy a program on their wide screen TV.

Furthermore, the folks at the Heritage Foundation point out that most “poor” people today are not starving. “Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished” (I think this means fat) “and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier that the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.” How different a world it might have been if David Copperfield could have had an occasional “quarter pounder”.

Another important point is that the “poor” can now easily obtain medical care. This can be accomplished by leaving your sick child at the entrance of any county medical facility, or most bus station restrooms in hopes that the authorities will see that they get medical attention. Of course you’ll never be able to see you child again unless you can somehow come up with the huge medical bill that will result, but at least you know your child will be well taken care of. If you need medical attention yourself, however – well, then your fucked.

The Bush administration and Congress have worked diligently with major corporations, and other filthy rich Americans to try and help the “poor” pull themselves out of there so-called poverty. The White House has been on a mission to help the rich add to their obscene wealth in order to fulfill the enlightened destiny of Reaganomics. Recognizing the sound economic principals of “trickle down theory”, the Republicans in recent years have concluded that if cutting the marginal tax rate is a good idea, then forklift loads of cash delivered to numbered accounts in Switzerland is an even better one. Some of that money has to trickle down to poor people – its science after all.

But, while Congress and the White House and a nation of people - rich beyond measure -have been doing their part, the poor are failing their responsibility to be trickled down upon. The rich need gardeners, housekeepers and cooks now more than ever. Where are the poor when a lonely nation calls?

Our nation has moved from a people’s democracy to a corporate “kelptocracy” for only one reason – to make the filthy rich, stinking rich…so that they can help the poor. This has been such a focus of our government that (lamentably) a lot of people’s rights and liberties have been trampled upon, the environment has been laid to waste, the working class has been ignored, and our grandchildren’s futures have been mortgaged. But are the “poor” thankful? I think not.

The conservatives point out that there seems to be one main reason for the cycle of poverty: “Poor” people don't work much. Now, as for this point, I have to say there is a certain logic and symmetry to it. Yes when people don’t work they don’t make much money and thus risk being poor. I only wish a liberal had of thought of that.

And, of course, what has perpetuated all this laziness and sloth in American is the government. I must say it never occurred to me, but apparently programs such as food stamps, public housing, and Medicaid continue to reward idleness. It’s like when your polo pony is not ridden for a long time it gets fat and lazy. If you let it think it can get away with just eating and lounging around it will lose its edge and you’ll look foolish in your next chukka.

The conservatives have sure taken a load off my mind. I had worried about the 45 million American who are uninsured – most of them children. I had been concerned about the how poverty affects the kind of education children get. I have worried about the physical, emotional, and social impacts of sustained poverty on adults and children. But, now that I know most people under the poverty level own TVs and eat Big Macs my sense of responsibility to my fellow man is completely set at ease. How could I have been so misguided.


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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:47 PM
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1. Great piece!
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:06 PM
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5. Thanks...the "poor" have been asking for it :)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:49 PM
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2. Thanks for writing this. Sad and enlightening. nt
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:53 PM
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3. Right! The poor don't really exist...
and 6000+ missing from New Orleans don't want to be found! That's the ticket!
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:55 PM
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4. excellent.
:thumbsup:
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:13 PM
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6. Yes I have heard this very premise
come out of the mouths of conservatives (who aren't what anyone would consider 'rich'). Now, we all know they're stupid, but this takes the cake.

If this isn't class warfare...
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:33 PM
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10. Like we've heard "if your job doesn't pay enough, go find a
better paying job". If only life could be that easy, huh.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:17 PM
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7. Only in upsidedown, insideout Reeptile world.
poor is rich

rich is poor

Reeps are victims.

Sheesh.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:31 PM
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8. Very well written
The fact that wealthy conservatives still clutch to the "trickle down theory" after years of telling us to "just wait, because we don't know what side of the 'bell curve' we're on" is ludicrous.

When "lunch bucket" republicans who go to work every day to just make end almost meet parrot the same points it borders on insane.

The problem with "trickle down" is that when these hogs are done feeding at the trough.....They request doggie bags.
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:13 PM
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16. I came from a "lunch bucket" republican family
Perhaps the fundamental problem with America is that people often vote against their own best interests.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:33 PM
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17. I actually asked that of one, right before the election.
I was at the store and this piece of shit truck - rusted, bent axle, about 20 years old - pulled in next to me with a huge "W: 2004" sticker on it.

He sneered at my Clark and Kerry stickers (I never took my Clark ones off after the primaries), so I asked him why he was voting against his pocketbook.

"Because the Democrats are COMMUNISTS!!," he snarled.

"You're obviously not wealthy or you LIKE to drive 20-year-old cars that pump stinking oil into your lungs," I retorted. "Seriously, what has four years of a Republican president and eight years of a Republican congress done for you? Is your life better?"

"The Democrats are pieces of commie shit... those libruls want to tell me what to do with my guns" yak, yak, blah, blah Limbaugh-talking-points spewed from him.

They don't get it. They're so brainwashed, they simply DO NOT get it.

It's sad.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:20 AM
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25. And you know how they do it?
They make folks feel ashamed for asking for an equitable system. They spin the meme that "the American economy is great, if you're not making it you are a loser" and people buy it.

By voting Repubican, they can dissociate themselves from the real "losers", because they are going to make it "any day now".
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:29 PM
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21. Whenever I hear the term "trickle down",
I cannot help but to think of someone that was late getting to the bathroom, I believe the hidden meaning behind this term is piss on the middle class and the poor.
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:01 PM
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31. You may enjoy reading about "Supply Side Omar" then
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:49 PM
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33. Thank you hoffmanmotors, most excellent link.
:hi:
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:33 PM
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9.  Increase in the number of hungry households since 1999: 43 Percent
So THAT's why the GOP wants to make more poor people?

From The Drum Major Institute 2005 Injustice index:

* Percentage of young workers not participating in any retirement plan at work: 80
* Number of uninsured Americans: 45.8 million 23
* Increase this represents from 2000: 7 million
* Percentage of evacuees in Houston who say they will never fully recover from the effects of the hurricane: 38 percent

http://www.drummajorinstitute.org/injusticeindex.php
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:47 PM
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14. It would be nice....
If this information was covered by TV as well as every case of an attractive girl gone missing.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:42 PM
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18. Did you hear about Paris Hilton's new handbag?
I hear it costs $2500 and it's just, oh, so adorable -- I could just squeal! Every girl should have one!
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:45 PM
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22. She needs to shop with Condi....
She could have bought several pairs of shoes for that kind of money.
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:37 PM
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11. This would be hilarious if it wasn't so frightening
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:43 PM
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12. may we share this? i have some freepers on another forum to educate. eom
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:49 PM
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15. Feel free...
always happy to raise the consiousness of our conservative friends.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:47 PM
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13. And if the poor don't drive then they surely shouldn't vote without ...
obtaining that special "voting ID" that all the car drivers don't have to get. Just get on that bus, walk or hitchhike to that Borad of Health and buy that birth certificate so you can then get on another bus, walk or hitchhike to that BMV so you can then buy that special voting ID that all the car drivers don't need to get. And if you don't then you never deserved to vote anyways you lazy, fat poor person.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:45 AM
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27. Don't forget, you need to take time off to get that voter ID
It's best to pick the job you can afford to lose because the boss may not think missing half a day of work to get a stupid ID card is a good excuse.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:42 PM
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19. conservative compassionists is what they are. nt
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rmgustaf Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:30 PM
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20. Great picture! n/t
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:57 AM
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23. Great piece. Just a couple of typos.
If you need medical attention yourself, however – well, then YOU'RE fucked.

Some of that money has to trickle down to poor people – IT'S science after all.

Our nation has moved from a people’s democracy to a corporate “KLEPTOCRACY” for only one reason – to make the filthy rich, stinking rich…so that they can help the poor. This has been such a focus of our government that (lamentably) a lot of people’s rights and liberties.

I had been concerned about (strike the) how poverty affects the kind of education children get.

I HAD worried about the physical, emotional and social impacts of sustained poverty on adults and children.

Punctuation quibbles:

Yes, when people don’t work they don’t make much money and thus risk being poor.

And what has perpetuated all this laziness and sloth in American is the government?

I must say it never occurred to me, but apparently programs such as food stamps, public housing and Medicaid continue to reward idleness.

It’s like when your polo pony is not ridden for a long time: (or dash or even semicolon) it gets fat and lazy. If you let it think it can get away with just eating and lounging around, it will lose its edge and you’ll look foolish in your next chukka.

But now that I know most people under the poverty level own TVs and eat Big Macs, my sense of responsibility to my fellow man is completely set at ease. How could I have been so misguided?

*****

Just trying to help get this get piece ready for wider publication.
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The Judged Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:00 AM
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24. Don't fret! the co-payments are only $3,000 per person per year! So far!
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:37 PM
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30. Did you mean to say....
"get this get piece"? LOL But thank you for the corrections. Where were you when I posted this thing? :) I have made the corrections on my site (thebluerepublic.com). I usually run my articles past my co-partner on the site before we publish, but he wasn't available yesterday. I usually pick up on the grammar and spelling on about the 5th read (my brain seems to have a version of the article that my eyeballs can't penetrate for a few reads). :)

Thanks again...wish you worked for our site.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:37 AM
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26. And if you need insurance, buy it!
Instead of buying expensive sneakers (of course, the speaker gets his top-notch coverage free at work, but still....)

This from the same guy who said that the fact that "poor" people are all fat proves there's no poverty in America (of course he wouldn't be caught dead eating a cheap fatty McDonald's hamburger)

Another friend told me yesterday (as we stood in the entrance to a gorgeous private club in Philadelphia, waiting to go to lunch with a friend) that she heard Katrina victims were using the money they got to help them out to buy beer. I said that if my house were reduced to a rubble pile and all my stuff was gone and I was living in a travel trailer, beer would be looking pretty damned good to me, and she would probably be buying single-malt scotch, so who was she to talk?

Great rant!
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:51 AM
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28. I posted on a blog that only 2% of the american public is on afdc
and most of them are children. Actually I asked people to guess the percentage - all the righties were saying 2o%. They really believed that there was this huge group of people sucking up their tax dollars. They were shocked to learn it was only two % and kinda pissed actually.

It's called myth busting and we need to do it more.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:16 AM
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29. "They should have thought of that before being poor"
I seriously heard a college republican say that. It made me question the academic standing of my school.

Another genius told me that poor people are just a liberal conspiracy. Democrats want to keep people poor so they can win elections. Apparently Dems want everyone to be on welfare as a way of controlling us and preventing us from improving our lives or thinking freely. The guy was black! :wow:

Enron, Worldcom, the financial scandals, outsourcing, closing factories, are all caused by benevolent wealthy executives who care about American workers...if you believe that then you must be medicated as heavily as Rush Limbaugh. Spewing bullshit is not normal. It takes a lot of drugs to believe that shit.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:13 PM
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32. Oh those Lucky Duckies!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_duckies

Being poor is fucking great!
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:57 PM
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34. darn those poor people!
Darn them to heck! If only there was some way to make them useful--as lampshades for instance.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:03 PM
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35. The devaluation of manual labor
What I find sad is this belief that one job is more "important" than another. IE: The CEO is more important than the janitor. I say bullshit! Every job is important. Every job is vital to the American way of life. Every American should be able to support themselves on a basic wage @ 40 hours per week.
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:55 PM
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36. How basic are we talking about here????
I have needs! :)
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