Hilary has one thing up on Holy Joe Lie-berman...

[joeybee12]

...she is obviously (although it is a callously political move) coming around to see that she has to start being against the war in Iraq. She's behind the times, partly due to being worried about keeping her hard-fought hawkish credentials.

Still, it's better than Holy Joe who--20 years from now--will be like the Vietnam revisionists of today, who say the war was lost because people actually had the gall to NOT be lock-step Nazis and support it.

[wtmusic]

1. Vietnam -- a word that never comes up

in RW talking points. A word they can't spin. Needs to be said more often.

[joeybee12]

3. Vietnam is stilla touchy subject with people..but if we put

the Repukes on the defensive about this, so much the better!

[HockeyMom]

2. Including the Vietnam Vets themselves

who came back and PROTESTED. Knew and saw many of them myself.

Sorry to burst their little bubbles but, I had NEVER heard of Kerry back then, but I did have had friends, including my husband, who came back and said it was WRONG.

[madrchsod]

4. hillary and holy joe?

my god, why are we wasting our time on a neoliberal sell out and a neocon democrat?

[joeybee12]

5. Holy Joe we need to waste our time on because he's an enabler...

...will help the Repukes as long as he's in office.

Hilary--like it or not--will play a major role in 2008. She's smarter politically than Joe--she'll be around for a while.