Virginians can nip this George in the bud.

[win_in_06]

George Allen is one of the fundiest repug contenders to succeed Bush. If Virginians reject him as Senator next year he's done.

We already elected a Dem Governor so this is a very attainable goal!

From the Post:

<snip>

For Allen, a former governor, the stakes are high as he prepares to begin his 2006 reelection bid and a possible run for the presidency.

Party stalwarts said after Allen's speech that they are confident that although Democrats have succeeded in recent statewide elections, the senator will make a strong showing next November.

<snip>

Political observers said that although Allen has a comfortable hold on his Senate seat, a strong bid by a Democrat could undermine his bid for the presidency.

"His longtime protege was defeated for governor," said Larry J. Sabato, a professor of political science at the University of Virginia. "Does that mean that Allen's Senate seat is in jeopardy? Not particularly. But it's weakened him."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/03/AR2005120301347_pf.html

[...of J.Temperance]

1. If we don't remove George Allen next year, then

He will be the 2008 Repuke Presidential nominee. I'd bet the farm on it. So it's of paramount importance that we get rid of him next year and END his political career.

George Allen looks like a fat Howdy Doody and he's ANOTHER fake Southerner wannabe cowboy, who only got where he is because of his Daddy's name...George Allen Sr. former coach of the Redskins. Allen Jr. is also as dumb as the Chimp.

George Allen Jr. was born AND bred in California...he's a Californian he's NOT Southern...he's another dumbass fake.

[win_in_06]

3. Yes Allen has a famous name but if the Redskins keep losing

it will not help Allen at all.

Seriously, I agree that he will be the fundie-of-choice and the most dangerous course of action for us if he gets in the race.

[...of J.Temperance]

5. Yes...the two

That are of the most importance to get rid of next year are Allen and Rick Santorum...the latter because I'm sick and tired of hearing his INSANE ranting.

Allen's cozying up BIG TIME to the Fundies...and we know why. Also as I said, he's another dumbass moron, so he'd be a nice puppet with which to replace their current puppet.

[NMDemDist2]

7. add Kyl to that list please n/t

[...of J.Temperance]

9. I hate Jon Kyl...but I'm not sure that we can remove him sadly

And if the party doesn't feel that we can remove Kyl...then I think we have to just concentrate on those Senators that we have a good shot at removing...I think John Ensign is another we can remove in Nevada.

[countingbluecars]

12. I agree.

I think Allen is being groomed to be the repuke nominee in 2008. He is more like * than even brother Jeb IMO. We must work hard to defeat Allen in the Senate.

[Pithy Cherub]

2. Warner would do the most good for Virginia if he ran for the senate

against Allen. His message and style translates there well and the people in Virginia seem to enjoy his management style.

[...of J.Temperance]

4. Not Warner...we should run Douglas Wilder against Allen

Douglas Wilder was Virginia Governor from 1990-1994, he's currently the Mayor of Richmond.

Mark Warner needs to not run for Allen's Senate seat, Mark Warner needs to run for President in 2008. He can't be in the Senate and then A YEAR later announce he's running for President. The whole thing is IF he ran for Allen's seat ALL the talk would be:

"Well Mr. Warner, if you're elected Senator will you PROMISE not to run for President in 2008"

Clark/Warner...Warner/Clark...Edwards/Warner...Warner/Edwards...these are winning 2008 tickets.

[Pithy Cherub]

6. Wilder is a great fave with a miltary, and governing background!

Wilder as the current Mayor of Richmond is also roughly the same age as John Warner and may not want to continue in politics. The breadth of Wilder's background would make him a stronger candidate for president than Mark Warner if he chose to launch any other campaigns. Wilder is not a fan of Warner's.

Warner seems to have elected to have a trial run for president. He may wish that he had run for the senate when it is all said and done. He has a much better shot at becoming senator than president.

[...of J.Temperance]

8. Frank Lautenberg was the same age as Wilder when he ran again and won

At 74 Douglas Wilder is TOO old to even think about running for President. I'd say that either Wilder stays Richmond Mayor or he runs for Senate...if he doesn't run for Senate, then Wilder's political career runs out with being the Mayor and he stays there.

Douglas Wilder threw his weight behind Tim Kaine who politically is nearly identical to Mark Warner.

If Warner can't get the 2008 nomination, then whoever does get the nomination will choose Warner for Veep...you mark my words.

[Pithy Cherub]

13. A senator gains experiences Warner badly needs.

Warner has one term of governing behind him that would be best helped as a senator where he could gain some necessary experiences. His personal ambition to be seen as a national candidate is based on one term of governance and a reliance on his business background. Wilder has first class miltary credentials, a term as governor, now Mayor of Richmond and is a minority. Wilder's support would be helpful to Warner should Warner try out his nascent diplomacy skills to garner support. In a senatorial race in Virginia, Warner doesn't need Wilder, but in a presidential race, he does - badly.

The next Democratic Vice President nominee will have top flight national security credentials, be a woman and/or a person of color. Warner is none of those.

[win_in_06]

10. He'd make a great Senator, he's young and he'd kick Allen's ass.

Then he can run for President in '16. (weird - 16?)

[skipos]

11. I agree with your post re: Clark and Warner but

if Allen was nominated in 08, how do you think he would do in a general election? It seems to me that the fake cowboy republican thing isn't going to be as popular as it once was thanks to Bush. I am more worried a McCain nomination, although I could see his age and supposed moderation keeping him from the nomination. I'd love to see a Jeb or Cheney nomination. The closer to Bush, the easier they will be to defeat.

[...of J.Temperance]

14. We must remember that the media are NOT OUR friends...the media is

For the Repukes...period.

The Fundies will embrace Allen, the RNC will embrace Allen and the mediawhores will whore for their masters and spin Allen like a top...just like they did with Junior.

Sure 60% of the population has woken up to Junior's lies and they're onto the Repukes game...but how MANY of that 60% actually know that Junior is NOT Texan and is NOT a cowboy and DOESN'T have a ranch? The mediawhores spun Junior like a top, this fake, folksy Cowboy image...and unfortunately a majority of the country still believe this media myth.

Junior is a media myth. I remember one of his comments from 2000. Junior said:

"I don't exist. I'm a media creation."

And it's one of only a handful of truths that Junior has ever spoken.

John McCain will never get the 2008 nomination, too old 72, already in ill health, he's batshit crazy, he's definately not playing with a full deck...he's also an extreme Right-Winger. Rudy Guiliani will never get the 2008 nomination either...three times married, has cancer too which might come back...Condi's out too...she's black and she's never been married, we know of no PROPER boyfriend, and she's got no kids...Jeb...I do think that after Junior the nation will never want another Bush family member in the WH, the Bush family name is now poison at the polls...Cheney...I don't think he'll run, but I DO think that he'll keep his teeth sunk in the Repuke Party dictating to them from behind the scenes.

I'm also thinking of Governor Bill Owens, the Governor of Colorado, the Fundies like him too...also we need to watch Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina, he's Fundie Central, they LOVE him...and unfortunately we need to keep an eye on Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi, former RNC Chairman and lobbyist extraordinaire.

So they're the Repuke candidates I think we need to watch and be making plans to combat in 2008:

George Allen - IF we don't remove him next year.
Bill Owens.
Mark Sanford.
Haley Barbour.

The Condi-McCain-Jeb-Rudy talk I think is a distraction, the GOP nominee will come from outside of that pool.

I could be wrong of course, but then again, I could be right.

On Edit: I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE...THE BELOW PARAGRAPHS WERE MEANT TO BE FURTHER UP...SO SORRY IF THIS READS JUMBLED!

The truth is that Junior was born in New Haven, Connecticut, he's from an OLD New England East Coast family and Poppy was born in Massachucetts and Grandpoppy was a Senator from Connecticut. Junior was bought into East Coast New England Ivy League Colleges and he went to an East Coast New England Prep School.

Junior's about as Texan as...Idi Amin.

But the mediawhores spun the lies and created the myth of Junior being Texan, and a cowboy and having a ranch...and the people STILL believe this...so don't think that the same mediawhores COULDN'T do the same kind of spinning for George Allen, because they COULD and IF he becomes the nominee they WILL.

George Allen is 100% Californian...born and bred...but by the TIME the mediawhores will have finished spinning the lies and the myth...60% of the nation will think that George Allen is the 21st Century Roy Rogers...the only difference between Junior and Allen is that Junior's afraid of horses...whereas there are pictures of Allen riding horses, complete with Stetson...but it's all bullshit the faux cowboy Southern image.

On Edit: Spelling error.

[abluelady]

15. Who's Going to Run Against Him

There is so little support for Dems in this State. When a Repug is entrenched, like Allen, the Dem party doesn't help at all.

[AlecBGreen]

16. Allen will most likely win in 2006

Just my opinion. Warner wont run against him...he has his eye on the White House and rightly so. He is very popular here in VA and he will make a great candidate. My dream would be an Allen/Warner matchup in 2008. I garuantee you (GARUANTEE!) that Warner would wipe the floor with him. No question, 100%, put it in the bank.

There is talk of James Webb(?) a former Reagan administration official challenging Allen. Dont know anything about him and Ive heard very little re: the 2006 race. Unless we field a strong candidate and pound away on the bread-and-butter issues like taxes (the defecit), transportation, education, and Warner's success, we will NOT knock off Allen. For whatever reason he is well-liked or at least tolerated by a majority of Virginians *shudder* God knows why...

In any case, VA is purple trending blue. We have a great opportunity to turn it to the Dems once and for all. We just need to reconnect on the issues which we VA Dems know best - education, transportation, & sound fiscal policy. If we dont fight the GOP over gun rights and "traditional marriages" (whatever that means) we will take back this state.

[nickshepDEM]

17. Do you really think Warner would 'wipe the floor' with Allen?

Dont get me wrong, Warner is my guy in '08 and Im confident enough to say I dont see a single Republican nominee who can beat him. But a Warner - Allen matchup would be close.

Allen is a pretty strong campaigner. He was way behind Mary Sue Terry early in his Gubernatorial bid, and he stormed back and killed her. Then he sliced and diced Chuck Robb. He is an electoral bad-ass.