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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:28 PM
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Bizarre oil politics. Venezuela=bad. Saudi Arabia=good.
If the stories about New England making deals for affordable heating oil from Venezuela are true, I say kudos to all involved.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:30 PM
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1. When has Saudi Arabia or Kuwait given cheap oil to the poor?
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 07:31 PM by Canuckistanian
Even after all that the US has done to keep them in power?
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:33 PM
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3. Maybe some day they'll get anti-neoliberal leaders in those countries
and they'll care more about reducing misery and building sustainable, socially-valuable economic growth, rather than about concentrating as much wealth as possible into as few hands as possible.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:31 PM
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2. Interesting how gas prices have dropped to two yet we are still at 60
Just saying.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:30 AM
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12. Wholesale gasoline is around $1.45/gallon
The drop sure hasn't been surprising to me.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:33 PM
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4. "Fahrenheit 9/11" tells it all.
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 07:36 PM by happydreams
Saudi Arabia is a classic co-opted country. Venezuela has committed the sin of allowing its resources to benefit its people.

Also Venezuela is a democracy and S. Arabia is far from it. Now why would Bush the liberator scowl at a democracy while chumming up to the Saudis? This tells you exactly what these fascists are.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:49 PM
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5. (aside) Venezuela is an OPEC member. Negotiation with OPEC nations
have been a standard of most US administrations. Seems like we now have a double standard. If there is no negotiation with Venezuela because of their politics, we stand to lose a valuable resource ally here in our own hemisphere.

Of course, the political and social policies of Saudi Arabia are rarely challenged, or held as an issue, at the table of international oil policy negotiations.

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:06 PM
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6. A threat to national energy security
Good post.

Bush's spat with Hugo is threatening our energy supplies. Private interest before the public good.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:33 PM
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7. Yeah, Saudi "reserves" set the price, but Venezuela "supply" ought to be
a big card if we're serious about the issue. You've got it right, private interests have been placed before the public interest.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:40 PM
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8. Black is white
War is peace

It all makes Orwellian sense to me.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:14 PM
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9. Yeah, but you see...
Chavez is a dictator and is harboring Al-Qaeda, according to freepers. That's a big difference, right there.

:sarcasm:
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:08 AM
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10. Bushco says...
"We can't have nations giving their oil profits to poor people! Exxon-Mobil, BP, Conoco-Phillips, etc. deserves that money!":puke:
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:15 AM
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11. They are true!
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/11/23/fuel_pact_defended_at_local_signing/

Other oil companies and nations were asked to help -- they all turned us down.

Only Chavez has a heart.
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