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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:23 PM
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Is anyone else sensing a disturbance in the dark side of the force?
Their nobodies are starting to blame nobodies like myself for the failures of their leaders. Seems to me that this is as close to a white flag as I will ever see from them.

Anyone else experiencing this?
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:26 PM
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1. I've experienced a marked descrease in RW spam lately.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:32 PM
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2. you mean like your guts are about to sucked out through your nose.??
yea...:hide:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:34 PM
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3. Eeew
when I read that,I had an image of it...eww,eww owch!EWEWEEWe!
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Fritz67 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:36 PM
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4. Yes...
I think Darth Halliburton, his apprentice Darth Duhbya, and Grand Moff Rove realize they're starting to be in deep trouble.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:46 PM
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5. Dark Side?! Yes!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:48 PM
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6. i see a lot of translucent black bats in the earth's aura
i guess something has disturbed them--or else they're going out to feed.

does that mean anything to anybody else?

never mind.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:53 PM
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7. I started feeling it during Katrina. Something going on behind the scenes
Not from the obvious, visible disaster. (I don't have TV.) But, well, from some black holes in the newsstream. Rove was a black hole. Not there. Very obvious. Bush hanging out there, twisting in the media wind, all alone, clueless. I mean, I couldn't believe his handlers let him get caught on camera eating cake, while Americans were dying, and a big chunk of the US of A was getting blown off the map--it was weird. And it went on and on for days, Bush, clueless, unhandled. Then Daddy Bush and Clinton come out and stand behind him. Cheney nowhere. Rice nowhere. What the hell? And I figured it was Traitorgate, behind the scenes, some heavy dealing and blackmailing going on. I even thought a coup might be in progress.

It's the first time I've sensed serious disarray and bitter divisions within the Bush regime. The other time was when Plame was outed, and when Tenet resigned, leaving an airtight prosecution agreement behind him.

Traitorgate was completely absent from the newstream during Katrina. But I think that's what it was. Rove later put out this non-believable tale that where he'd been, during Katrina, was in the hospital with kidney stones. Not a word was breathed about it when he entered the hospital. It's a story he entirely made up, I think, after the fact, because his absence was noticed. I suspected that he was on strike, negotiating a pardon or something. I think Cheney, Rove and others have the goods on Bush--black dossier material, or evidence on his complicity in crimes--and he is being/was being blackmailed. That's why he withheld aide from NO, while people were dying--was my thought. Cheney wanted total WH control over the Katrina loot. And Bush goes down and himself tries to strongarm Blanco to get it. (--not something a president does in person).

The feeling--of a disturbance in the Dark Side of the Force (how well you put it!)--peaked around Fitzgerald's press conference, then abated for a while. I thought: coup averted. Now it's back--it's maybe Woodward testifying to the grand jury. That must give them pause.

Yup. Things not going well at all. PNACers are probably placing their bets on a Diebold-ES&S installed War Democrat, because maybe Libby was wrong (if I read his "aspens" letter to Miller correctly) that their 'deeply rooted' plans for Iran and Syria are going forward, Libby is taking the fall for that purpose, and that she should "come back to work--and life" to cover (help propagandize) those stories. It's not working out. Cheney and maybe Rumsfeld also are in legal trouble. (Rumsfeld critical to their plans.) Their political capital is shot. I don't see a recovery of that--although it might be made to look that way, when the Dems achieve only modest gains in '06 (due to Diebold/ES&S tweaking). But when someone like Murtha bails--big military supporter--you know they're in deep doodoo. Perhaps they've just alienated too many military and intel people--a cumulative effect.

There are a number of viable candidates for War Democrat--someone who might go along with a "Gulf of Tonkin" type incident as excuse for going into Iran and/or Syria, and who could possibly get a military Draft (Bush can't do that). I doubt Kerry would do those things. He had to be kept out of the WH (and was). But there are many other ambitious types--acceptable both to the warmongers and the corporate predators--who might be able to fool the public like LBJ did in 1964, running as a "peace candidate" (result: upwards of 2 million people slaughtered in Vietnam).

Repubs likely are thinking of replacing Cheney with a prettier face, to be touted in '08. But the real criterion, for the people runnings things, will be who can best capitalize on the ME situation to the profit of arms dealers and military contractors, the banks, and global corporate predators in general. That is certainly not Bush, any more. He is too handicapped and dirty. I don't think Rice will fly. (Too tied to Iraq incompetence.) Hagel maybe. Or McCain (although I personally find him disgusting for his toadyism to Bush). And for the Dems, we'll probably get Hillary Clinton. Kerry is not enough of a hawk, and is too much of a prosecutor. They won't let him be nominated or elected. (He never had a chance in '04, despite the numbers, and despite the fact that he actually won. His fate was sealed long before, when Congress funded the rightwing Bushite electronic voting companies, with their SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code.)

The only one I could personally vote for with any enthusiasm at present--for whatever it's worth--is Gore, because he has taken a highly principled stance against torture. What a great speech he gave on it! It roused your passion. It made you cry. We've lost so much of our integrity! But he makes you feel like we could get it back, with good leadership. And he might be acceptable to the corporate world, and to the 'white hat' military and CIA. (Kerry said nothing about the torture during the campaign--very disappointing--and I don't know that he's said anything sense. If he has, I'll eat my words. But it's a very important issue to me.) Clark, maybe. He would probably be good for straightening out the totally messed up military and intel agencies. But Gore seems so focused, so changed, so committed to good gov't. Seems to have deeply re-thought everything. I like that. He's been through a lot. And he won in 2000. There is a rightness to it. Kerry's time may come later. Hillary, I just don't trust on global corporate predator issues. Too close to NAFTA, GATT, and the DLC. Nor on military issues. I think she would be easier prey to "Gulf of Tonkin" scams than the others.

I'm talking about enthusiastic votes and activism--in the primaries. We are not going to be permitted a choice of who wins those, or who wins the election. That is not within the power of American citizens any more. And we just have to work with that--and use every opportunity to get as much election transparency as possible, and work on that constantly, until we restore our right to vote.

Until we restore our right to vote, and achieve some fundamental changes, we are open prey for another fascist coup.
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BJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:06 PM
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8. enjoyed your essay alot
have you thought about posting this as a separate thread?
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:51 PM
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9. I agree w/ BJW
This is a piece worthy of its own thread.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:58 PM
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10. connect the dots
world govts or world mafias?
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:09 PM
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11. The Dark Side Force is one massive disturbance. n/t
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