BREAKING: Kerry Grows a New Nosehair!

[Totally Committed]

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The REAL news is that every time Kerry does his job it does not rate a thread. Every day, all the other Seantors and Representatives show up and do their jobs, but not every word they utter, every vote they take is commemorated with a thread.

I implore you... cease and desist unless he does something miraculous or I will go out of my mind!

Thank you ahead of time for the consideration I know this request will get.

TC

[obxhead]

1. it's ready...

my popcorn that is :popcorn:

[Punkingal]

2. Actually,

He was elected President, so what he has to say is more important than anyone else.

[Texas_Kat]

4. Pardon.... say again?

[Joe Chi Minh]

14. You'd have thought it would be obvious to posters

on a political forum, wouldn't you?

[frogmarch]

3. But it's OK

for anti-Kerry threads - that is, threads that do nothing but diss Kerry - to keep on?

[NNadir]

5. I note that the Senator did not vote for nose hairs back when it

counted.

He has flip-flopped on the whole nose hair issue for some time.

[Mass]

6. You mean Lieberman does his job?

This said, may be people could search if there is already a thread before posting a new one. I agree with that (whether it is for Kerry or anybody else).

[sinkingfeeling]

7. I disagree. You will NEVER see a thread about either of my two

Democratic Senators, since they never do anything!

[rsmith6621]

8. Kerry Is A Has Been

He lost the election when he failed to challenge the Ohio vote....It is arrogant as Kerry said yesterday..."I would have made a great president"

Its time to move on...like Kennedy...Kerry will be a Senator from MA for the rest of his life.

When does Kerry say without reservation......BUSH/CHENEY LIED...when he does that then ill post a thread commemorating that occasion.

[sui generis]

11. 100% agreed - speak plainly Kerry

Don't say "they mischaracterized" when you mean they freakin' lied through their teeth.

The Kerry presidential saga is thankfully over and can't, or rather, won't happen again.

I know people change, grow up, get wiser and learn from their experience, and Kerry has a right to "grow" as well, but he would have to be a remarkably better candidate to have a remarkably better result.

[Punkingal]

18. For Pete's sake....

He won the damn election. Let's continue to beat up on Kerry, who was a victim of the cabal, and the fact that we DO NOT HAVE A FREE PRESS!!!!! And what about the rest of us? We could have taken to the streets, couldn't we? We have had two Presidencies stolen from us, and most of the time all we do here is bitch about what shits the Democrats are.

[kaneko]

24. So tired

of people beating up on Kerrry. Do we really have to do the
Reepubicans job.

[sui generis]

40. calm down my little canteloupe-chick

There are some things that I like a lot about Kerry, but I also have what I think are valid criticisms. His supporters have to be able to take one-off criticism or they are no different than Bush's supporters blindly supporting Bush. I am sure that Kerry in person would at least listen to constructive criticism without dodging and claiming to be a victim of events.

There's no point in going ballistic over supporting anyone. The hard cold facts are a candidate has to win big to win. You can fudge a few points at the polls if you're cheating and most of stupid America won't get too bothered, but if there is a landslide, there's no room for fudge.

We need a candidate, whoever runs, who can win by getting everyone excited about all of the message, and most importantly of all a candidate who can win by a landslide and not by not losing. I can write a strategic essay of 10,000 words on this point, but the gist is that our candidates have GOT TO speak to the base and don't worry about converting red voters to blue. Support the blue, 100%, all the way. If you don't think there are enough blue voters to win without campaigning exclusively in Ohio and Pennsylvania, then don't run, or fire your campaign manager, or whatever, but the point is, support your base, and we are EVERYWHERE.

Kerry's heart is in the right place, but he is too much of a patrician senate politician and somewhere along the line placed the value of being senatorial and presidential and a gentleman above the value of a good one-two verbal TKO. We needed him to keep punching and keep dumbya and crew off balance, reeling, denying, spinning, and spitting blood. Instead, that's what we did.

No, it's not all Kerry's fault. Kerry was responsible for delivering vision in a way that people could buy into, and for getting and keeping them excited. He needed to organize the democrats not like a fake "one of us" contender, but like a coach and a quarterback and a cheerleader all rolled into one, and his advisors needed to pull their heads out of their asses and realize the other side was playing dirty and DO SOMETHING about it other than just be overcome by events.

I have a valid opinion, and it's not just "bitching" - I want us to win, plain and simple, and whatever we did last time, whether they cheated or not, was not enough to win decisively, and that's just objective assessment.

P.S. we have taken to the streets and we'll do it again. Hope to be out there with you too.

[Punkingal]

44. Regarding the press,

some famous person, (I don't have time to look it up now) said there can be no democracy without a free press.

I don't think Kerry is perfect, but I do think he is a good man, and an intelligent one. During the campaign the mantra was repeated over and over by the media that Kerry flip-flops. I don't think most of the public bothers to find out what a person's history and record is like those of us at DU do, more's the pity.

As for finding a candidate who can get everyone excited, I think those kind are few and far between. I haven't had one since Bobby. But that doesn't mean I can't respect and support the ones we do have, because I don't care who they are, they are so much better than the Republicans. I love what Dean said on MTP Sunday..."I am a Democrat because of my moral values." I respect Kerry and anyone else who has the courage to run for office, because it is such a hard thing to do. And I just think he deserves our respect for that, and for his record in the Senate, which is a very good one.

[rsmith6621]

41. Here is My Point.....

If you are a Football team and you have scored a touchdown but the REF has called a potential foul, even though you have scored a completly legal touchdown if you dont challenge the call you have in effect said I agree with the call thus possibly forfieting the game....Kerry did this....Since when does the press have to be the vessle that democracy has to work through.

Kerry didnt even step up when Sen.Boxer or Rep Tubbs tried to challenge it on the floor of congress.

[Punkingal]

45. "Without a free press, there is no democracy."

Yeah, I think a free press is necessary for a democracy. And if they did their job, we wouldn't have had Bush for even one term.

[zulchzulu]

20. I guess Conyers is a liar... re Kerry not challenging Ohio vote

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm

Fighting for Every Voter - John Conyers

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me. As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes...

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me.

As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor.

This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why -- and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters.

There's more about how Kerry and Edwards have been involved in the Ohio vote...ever heard of Google?

[flpoljunkie]

29. For those who need it spelled out...Kerry and Edwards Stay in Recount Case

I am, of course, not referring to you, zulchzulu. Just offering a link for those who are inclined to trash John Kerry, without knowing any of the facts.

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2005/08/kerry-and-edwards-to-stay-in-recount.html

August 31, 2005

Kerry and Edwards to Stay in Recount Case!!! Trial to Start in August 2006
Don McTigue, attorney for John Kerry and John Edwards, appeared in federal court in Toledo, before Judge Carr, on August 30th, and told the Court that Kerry and Edwards intend to remain in the case.

Judge Carr set an August 22, 2006 trial date.

Additionally he consolidated the two recount cases, Rios v. Blackwell and Yost v. Cobb & Badnarik. He gave the plaintiffs until September 15th to file amended pleadings (plaintiff's counsel had requested an opportunity to streamline their claims).

Judge Carr set a discovery cut-off of May 1, 2006, and ruled that any summary judgment motions must be made by May 15, 2006.

[johnaries]

9. Well, you don't HAVE to read them. Personally, I like that DU keeps

close tabs and posts updates on him. He is my President.

[Totally Committed]

10. I am begging each and every one of you...

whether you agree with me or not... to start discussing REAL ISSUES, and not just PERSONALITIES soon, or we will get four more years of the same as we have now, NO MATTER WHICH PARTY is elected!

TC

[Mass]

12. I could not agree more with you, but on DU, I have given up.

Apparently, you did too, if I believe this thread.

[karynnj]

21. That's why you posted this - this is stunningly stupid

Murtha and the attacks on him are one of the top topics. Alerting people to a Senate floor speech decrying that may be of interest.

I saw a few Clark threads this morning about him doing his job on Fox. I didn't complain about them - though they had no more news value than this speech. I saw you happily post to them.

[welshTerrier2]

25. we should ban the use of names in the subject lines

i'm not actually serious about that but something has to be done to improve the discourse on DU ...

i hate to get all censorshippy (i looked it up) but we really need to do better if we're going to be an effective online community ...

i, too, am sick of the NoseHair News ... too many posts are mere press releases or advertisements with no real discussion or analysis of policy or position ... i think these posts are inflammatory by their very nature ... and on the other side, those who criticize Democrats too often do so primarily with vacuous statements like "Kerry should just shut up already" ... if criticism is warranted, i'd like to see far more of it focussed on the issues ...

if we don't debate the real issues, we are irrelevant ...

what you're saying about DU is absolutely true ... which of the following threads should get more responses and which one always does:

1. there's no justification to remain in Iraq in a year or more
2. Kerry's Plan for another year of war TOTALLY SUCKS

too many DU'ers are gossips ... we are shallow headline readers ... a thread about something "Tweety" said gets 100 responses and Clark's analysis on permanent bases gets 5 responses ... it's crap and it's crazy ... it's like we're hellbent on turning a serious discussion forum into a subsidiary of People Magazine ...

maybe we should have a "how to make DU more effective" forum ...

[karynnj]

39. Your example is very true

I think issues based threads are more interesting. Oddly, some of the better ones I've read have been (semi-off topic) threads on the Kerry board. It's there that I've learned how to find what the Senate is doing, how to hear or view the committee hearing, and how to get Senate speeches off Thomas and how to find roll call votes. Following an issue that is being considered with a diverse group of people is very interesting.

It's also interesting to hear what is being done on grassroots and strengthening the party. Being in NJ, I can see that more was done than I ever remember happening this past year when we had one of the 2 governor races. it was nice to hear what other people saw in different parts of the state. It was good to hear about virginia too.

But I also do think that posting things done by various Democrats is a good idea. There are many good things that would be hard to find if I didn't even know they existed. I liked reading about Gore's environmental speeches and his communication project. I liked hearing about Edwards' poverty speeches.

I don't think that anything (non-flamebait) should be banned. I do find all the polls, all the I hate (Democrat of choice), all the election was stolen unless there is something new and credible

[welshTerrier2]

42. posting about various Democrats

a few thoughts on your post ...

first, and i don't expect you to agree, i hate the constant barrage of Kerry posts ... the defense i've seen is "well, he does so much" ... well, maybe ... it comes across to me as a bunch of campaign operatives hyping Kerry rather than a thoughtful discussion of the issues ...

and it's not all Kerry supporters ... but i can't tell you how many times i have virtually pleaded for a real discussion of the "Kerry press release du jour" and gotten nothing back ...

when Kerry's big speech on Iraq was posted a few weeks ago, i took the time to provide a point-by-point analysis of what i agreed with and what i did not agree with ... i got essentially nothing back ... the poster just dumped the information on DU like a good little campaign operative ... i find that offensive when it's done all the time ... and it is done all the time ... 20 points i raised ... no discussion ... well, to be fair, i think there was one "mini-response" ...

i've tried to talk to some of the Kerry supporters about changing their approach ... i intended to provide some positive ideas ... yeah, that went over real well ... they called out the entire cavalry on that thread ... i don't really give a damn whether anyone believes my intentions were honorable ... i'll tell you they were ... i think many on DU resent the Kerry hit squad ...

now, lest you think me one-sided, i don't participate in the Kerry bashing threads ... i think they're bullshit ... i have strong feelings about Kerry's position on the war ... i think he's dead wrong and i think his position is very damaging to the country ... this is, his position; not Kerry himself ... and i regularly raise issues about his position ... and what do i get back from the Kerry supporters? insults? nope ... nothing ... those are not threads they care to participate in ... they only show up (i'm talking about most, not all), on threads that either compliment Kerry or insult him ... frankly, both types are a total waste of time ...

if there is to be any peace, a process to reconcile Kerry's 12 - 15 months based on contingencies with Murtha's and McGovern's Out Now has to occur ... if the Senate Dems just keep on the same track and the Out Now people keep on the same track, no progress towards peace and unity will occur ...

i posted a detailed list of the REASONS Murtha took the stand he did and called on Kerry supporters to agree that Kerry should at least agree to the "facts" Murtha provided even if they come to a very different conclusion based on those facts ... the goal was to make some progress reconciling the two positions ... what did i get back? insults? nope ... nothing ...

yesterday i posted a thread about why i thought the "out in a year" position was dead wrong ... responses only came from those who agreed with me ... it was nice they did but it didn't help achieve the goal of negotiating our differences ...

anyway, i've pretty much given up trying to reconcile the warring parties on DU ... my issue is to end the damned war NOW ... the good news is that position is really gaining momentum ... wouldn't it be nice if all Democrats were on board with us ...

[Totally Committed]

47. Furthermore...

Those who have read this and attacked me have missed the point. You just made it excellently.

Also, after a while, I don't think the average Kerry supporter realizes the utter outrage and frustration that builds up over time in a case such as this.

I tried responding to Kerry threads and was trounced thoroughly. No one cared about any point that I tried to make, only that I was negative to their opinion of St. John. So, I tried ignoring the threads. One thread or several threads are easy to ignore. But, the constant barrage, day after day, about this and that, and sometimes about almost the exact same thing... over and over and over.

It's just too much. And, this thread, I admit, is borne of that level of outrage and frustration.

I give up. I don't know how else to deal with this or what else I can say about this. The whole thing sucks.


TC

[rockymountaindem]

37. Yes!

Thank you for pointing that out!

(not that most people will read it, sadly)

[Nimrod2005]

13. Sorry, the answer is NO!!!

[wiley]

15. They must be trolls,

I was thinking to myself. The MSM is going to Kerry because so many others will bluntly, simply and effectively tell them the truth. Kerry voted for the IWR. Sure, why not get a Democrat to admit his IWR vote was wrong. Who needs to criticize Pukes? While Kerry was blathering away the Pukes just dismembered decades of social services. It's like he's suffering from Alexander Haig Syndrome. Shouldn't he be windsurfing or something?

[karynnj]

23. He is fighting as a minority member is the Senate

he is trying to do what he can in 2006 to help Democrats - and he did a lot of this in 2005.

[Totally Committed]

28. So are all the other Democrats in the Senate.

You don't see a stinking thread here every time they do something or say something. That's all I'm saying.

TC

[karynnj]

35. But I see a lot of Clark threads, some just saying he's great

I read them or don't read them. Without DU I wouldn't know much that he's doing because I never watch Fox. I honestly don't care how many threads there are - if uninterested I skip.

I wish there were more on the Senate Democrats and work they are doing - it is important.

Do you go into the library in your town and ask that all the books be removed on a subject of no interest to you. The Kerry threads appear to get posts, so someone likes them.

[ProSense]

16. It was great: The nosehair slapped down a few Republicans. Go Kerry! n/t

[bvar22]

17. I was "FOR" obsequious Kerry threads....

...before I was "AGAINST" them.
:rofl:

[second edition]

19. Actually, after the unfair bashing he took last night concerning

Murtha, I fully understand why it is necessary to post that information.
Usually, Kerry information is not posted more than others. For example, the Clark polls and all his Fox appearances, Dean and all his comments and appearances, Gore, when he did the wonderful things in NO, Edwards and his work involving poverty. Perhaps, its just that Kerry is involved in so many important and interesting things that it has to be considered more than just doing his job.Perhaps more mundane things, for instance, his new nose hair growth isn't worthy of a post.

[PassingFair]

22. Zowie, Totally.

Thanks for sparing me the research on "Who's Who in the DU DLC Club"

Looks like our resident cheerleaders like your bait!

[Totally Committed]

27. If that's all you see here, or what you get from this OP

you haven't been paying attention. Go ahead, make this all about big, bad TC... I was waiting for that.

TC

[Totally Committed]

26. Okay, maybe we need a compromise...

ONE Kerry supporter should just post everything he does minute-by-minute in one large thread each day:

9:03 Kerry uses Men's Room off Capitol Rotunda. Urinal #3, no urinal #5, no... wait... back to #3. He used urinal # 3.

9:04 Kerry washes hands.

9:06 Kerry buys Danish and coffee on way to morning meeting, avoiding croissants, as polling showed US opinion of the French still low. The Danes are at a bit neutral.

9:07 Kerry disses Murtha

9:10 Kerry defends Murtha

9:14 Kerry disagrees with Murtha

9:16 Kerry agrees with Murtha, then disagrees.

And so on. Then I could just block one stinking thread, and go on discussing things that count. Barbara Boxer, John Conyers... many public servants with many followers here on DU go about their daily business without synchophantic cheerleading threads constantly chanting for them.

TC

[Mass]

30. Kerry supporter or Kerry basher??

It seems to me that many of the Kerry's threads are posted by Kerry's bashers.

But your point about issues is well taken. Why dont you post about one of them?

[frogmarch]

31. You're right, Mass

In fact MOST of the Kerry threads are started by Kerry bashers. Even those threads that aren't soon morph into Kerry-bashing fests.

I suggest all of the Kerry bashing threads be merged into one.

[welshTerrier2]

36. i like this idea

one pro-Kerry thread per day and one anti-Kerry thread per day ...

i would love that rule ...

then the rest of us could focus on issues instead of all the personality bullshit that passes for useful discourse ...

sign me up for your excellent idea !!!

[Totally Committed]

33. How many of the threads I posted in my OP are by bashers?

Do you see what I'm saying?

Let's talk about HOW to defeat the Republicans in 2006 and how to get a REAL Democrat in the WH in 2008, before it is too late. We can't do that if we are always talking about KerryKerryKerryKerry.

TC

[Mass]

34. Because you did not see them in this case.

Yesterday, we had about half a dozen threads that were repeat of the americablog post, for example, not to add the threads about the AP article distorting what he said on CNN. My best bet is that those were not by Kerry's supporters.

So, as much as I agree with you on the principles (as this goes for other people than Kerry even if it grates you less with them), I have to respectfully disagree with you on that.

This said, I too would like to talk about policies, but we all know nobody cares and the threads sink.

[jillan]

32. Maybe Kerry gets a thread because he is kicking ass out there.

And it needs to be noted.

When Reid gives 'em hell, we post about it.
Murtha - duh
Levin - Conyers - Schumer - Boxer we post about ALL of them.


We need to be celebrating Kerry's nose hairs. And the nose hairs of all of the dems that are standing up and demanding accountability to the bushiters.

Senator Kerry - this is for you
:toast:

Unless of course, you would rather complain.
Which, unfortunately seems to be more of the norm around here sometimes.
Seeing who can rip apart the democratic party better than anyone else.

Not me - I am a PROUD democrat.

I'd rather complain about the repugs.

[_dynamicdems]

38. He grew a new nose hair and I missed it? OMIGOD!

Thank you for sharing, but I prefer not to think about such things.

[Kurovski]

43. Your only recourse is to begin other threads about other people

and keep them kicked however you can.

It's gonna be a long haul to 2008. :hi:

However, when DU finally begins to reach 16 duplicate threads a day, it will perhaps have grown well beyond the practical.

[hippiegranny]

46. free will is a wonderful thing

if you don't want to read about Kerry, don't click on a thread bearing his name.

[The Magistrate]

48. Locking

Flame=bait, followed by a flame-war.