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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:26 PM
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Sens. Reid & Levin News Conf at 1:30 today on C-Span
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 01:31 PM by TayTay
Here s the blurb from C-Span:

Congressional News Conference
Accountability in Iraq
U.S. Capitol, Mansfield Room
Carl Levin , D-MI
Harry Reid , D-NV
The beginning and end of this live program may be earlier or later than the scheduled times.

This should be a info session for what the Senate Dems are hoping to pass this afternoon with the IRaq War accountability amendments.

It should be on this: The Senator from Michigan , for himself, Mr. Biden, Mr. Reid, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Kerry, Mr. Feingold, Mr. Durbin, Mr. Reed, Mr. Kennedy, Mrs. Feinstein, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Boxer proposes an amendment numbered 2519.


The amendment is as follows:

(Purpose: To clarify and recommend changes to the policy of the United States on Iraq and to require reports on certain matters relating to Iraq)
At the end of title XII, add the following:

SEC. __. UNITED STATES POLICY ON IRAQ.

(a) Short Title.--This section may be cited as the ``United States Policy on Iraq Act''.

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate that, in order to succeed in Iraq--

(1) members of the United States Armed Forces who are serving or have served in Iraq and their families deserve the utmost respect and the heartfelt gratitude of the American people for their unwavering devotion to duty, service to the Nation, and selfless sacrifice under the most difficult circumstances;

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Lots more chapters, including saying that the US has no plans for long-term bases in IRaq and other things.
This was posted in the Congressional Record for last Thursday. You can look up the text. This is good stuff!
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:27 PM
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1. Man, I just wrote him an email!!
That was Fast!!!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:28 PM
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2. LOL! nt
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:32 PM
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3. C-SPAN 1 or 2? nm
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:34 PM
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4. Which C-span? I can't fnd it!
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:35 PM
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6. Not on yet, it says give or take a few minutes.
Maybe the Pukes have locked them out!!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:35 PM
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7. The C-Span web site had it on C-Span (1)
http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

It should be starting soon. You know Dems are always late. (Come on!)
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seshers Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:35 PM
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5. No C-Span in my cube
plz feed cube rat
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:38 PM
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8. Will do. TEXT OF DEMS AMENDMENT
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 01:55 PM by TayTay
nothing yet. It's the tail end of another program. As soon as something starts, I'll write it down.

I pray DU forgives me, but I'm going to post the text for the Resolution. I got it from the Congressional Record as I couldn't get the THOMAS sytem to cough it up(so I could reference it here more easily.)

The Senator from Michigan , for himself, Mr. Biden, Mr. Reid, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Kerry, Mr. Feingold, Mr. Durbin, Mr. Reed, Mr. Kennedy, Mrs. Feinstein, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Boxer proposes an amendment numbered 2519.


The amendment is as follows:

(Purpose: To clarify and recommend changes to the policy of the United States on Iraq and to require reports on certain matters relating to Iraq)
At the end of title XII, add the following:

SEC. __. UNITED STATES POLICY ON IRAQ.

(a) Short Title.--This section may be cited as the ``United States Policy on Iraq Act''.

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate that, in order to succeed in Iraq--

(1) members of the United States Armed Forces who are serving or have served in Iraq and their families deserve the utmost respect and the heartfelt gratitude of the American people for their unwavering devotion to duty, service to the Nation, and selfless sacrifice under the most difficult circumstances;

(2) it is important to recognize that the Iraqi people have made enormous sacrifices and that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis want to live in peace and security;

(3) calendar year 2006 should be a period of significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty, with Iraqi security forces taking the lead for the security of a free and sovereign Iraq, thereby creating the conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq;

(4) United States military forces should not stay in Iraq indefinitely and the people of Iraq should be so advised;

(5) the Administration should tell the leaders of all groups and political parties in Iraq that they need to make the compromises necessary to achieve the broad-based and sustainable political settlement that is essential for defeating the insurgency in Iraq, within the schedule they set for themselves; and

(6) the Administration needs to explain to Congress and the American people its strategy for the successful completion of the mission in Iraq.

(c) Reports to Congress on United States Policy and Military Operations in Iraq.--Not later than 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every three months thereafter until all United States combat brigades have redeployed from Iraq, the President shall submit to Congress an unclassified report on United States policy and military operations in Iraq. Each report shall include the following:

(1) The current military mission and the diplomatic, political, economic, and military measures, if any, that are being or have been undertaken to successfully complete or support that mission, including:

(A) Efforts to convince Iraq's main communities to make the compromises necessary for a broad-based and sustainable political settlement.

(B) Engaging the international community and the region in the effort to stabilize Iraq and to forge a broad-based and sustainable political settlement.

(C) Strengthening the capacity of Iraq's government ministries.

(D) Accelerating the delivery of basic services.

(E) Securing the delivery of pledged economic assistance from the international community and additional pledges of assistance.

(F) Training Iraqi security forces and transferring security responsibilities to those forces and the government of Iraq.

(2) Whether the Iraqis have made the compromises necessary to achieve the broad-based and sustainable political settlement that is essential for defeating the insurgency in Iraq.

(3) Any specific conditions included in the April 2005 Multi-National Forces-Iraq campaign action plan (referred to in United States Government Accountability Office October 2005 report on Rebuilding Iraq: DOD Reports Should Link Economic, Governance, and Security Indicators to Conditions for Stabilizing Iraq), and any subsequent updates to that campaign plan, that must be met in order to provide for the transition of security responsibility to Iraqi security forces.

(4) To the extent that these conditions are not covered under paragraph (3), the following should also be addressed:

(A) The number of battalions of the Iraqi Armed Forces that must be able to operate independently or to take the lead in counterinsurgency operations and the defense of Iraq's territory.

(B) The number of Iraqi special police units that must be able to operate independently or to take the lead in maintaining law and order and fighting the insurgency.

(C) The number of regular police that must be trained and equipped to maintain law and order.

(D) The ability of Iraq's Federal ministries and provincial and local governments to
independently sustain, direct, and coordinate Iraq's security forces.
(5) The criteria to be used to evaluate progress toward meeting such conditions.

(6) A schedule for meeting such conditions, an assessment of the extent to which such conditions have been met, information regarding variables that could alter that schedule, and the reasons for any subsequent changes to that schedule.

(7) A campaign plan with estimated dates for the phased redeployment of the United States Armed Forces from Iraq as each condition is met, with the understanding that unexpected contingencies may arise.


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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 11:26 AM
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33. thanks and if you find the Repub's amendment, please post
nt
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:39 PM
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10. Its on!!!
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:39 PM
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9. It's on now. nt
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:42 PM
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12. 3 things they ask
1.2006 year of transition to Iraqi sovereignty.
2.Tell Iraq Us will not stay definitely.
3. Submit on a quarterly basis, timetables and reports on the War!!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:40 PM
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11. Sen. Reid on:
He is making the argument that Bush is stagnating with his staying the course argument.

(See the text of the amendment posted above. This is what the Dems are supporting.)
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:42 PM
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13. Levin up!!!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:43 PM
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15. The Repubs are taking the Dem Amendment
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 01:46 PM by TayTay
and turning it into a Repub Amendment (the Warner Frist Amendment.) Sigh!

We should get credit for it.



Repubs change the language from

Dem: US forces should not stay in Iraq indefinitely

Repub: "US forces should not stay in Iraq any longer than required."

(Dem resolution is much harsher and has a clear statement in it.)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:47 PM
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16. The Dem version demands some feedback from the Admin
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 01:49 PM by TayTay
on the progress of this war with timetables and such.

The Repub version must have a watered down version of this.

Sorry, the Repub version eliminates this:
(7) A campaign plan with estimated dates for the phased redeployment of the United States Armed Forces from Iraq as each condition is met, with the understanding that unexpected contingencies may arise.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:49 PM
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18. Both statements are pretty vague
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 01:54 PM by karynnj
Some of the other differences seem more important. Durbin mentioned the purpose clause not changed. Only a bi-partisan effort will pass - the question is whether enough Republicans will opt out of PNAC.

(7) is important
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:43 PM
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14. delete
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 01:43 PM by buzzard
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:48 PM
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17. Durbin's up
nt
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:52 PM
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19. Reid *nails* it again.
The reason why Repugs are cooperating with this is because the people have demanded it!!!

Go Harry. Go!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:54 PM
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21. A go for all 11 Senators who wrote this Amendment
This is very good work.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:53 PM
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20. Damn. I missed it. I only got the Q & A part. What's going on? nm
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:56 PM
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22. I posted the Dem Amendment (badly) and have fixed the link
It's upthread. Read this. The Repubs took this Amendment and took out a lot of stuff.

The Repubs have the Dem amendment, only wimpier.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:56 PM
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23. They'll be voting on both amendments
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:58 PM
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26. Good - After Reid talked, I was concerned that they agreed to vote
on the Republican Amendment.

Let's see who is going to vote on what and who will refuse to vote on anything.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:56 PM
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24. There are 2 amendments, one Dem & one Repub
They will be voting on both amendments.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:58 PM
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25. I think this is what the Senate (on C-Span2) will be
debating from 2:00 pm to 5:30 pm today.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:02 PM
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27. This is getting good!!
Lies, lies, everywhere are lies!!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:03 PM
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28. Wonderful answer by Durbin on whether Senators
got the same info as Bush. Bush had most, Chairman and Ranking member had nextmost, Intelligence committtee had less, remaining Senators had even less than this.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:05 PM
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29. Levin is itemizing lies
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 02:06 PM by karynnj
Reading intelligence with Bush comments at time. He is great. reid also defended Kerry's Prison amendment.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:06 PM
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30. Levin is AWESOME!!
"That was simply NOT TRUE." The "relationship" between Saddam and Al-Qaeda as lied about by Bush.

Pick a Bush claim, any claim!
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:09 PM
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31. The Senate is on c-2
But it's Frist now....
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:15 PM
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32. I put up a separate thread for the Senate debate
cuz the news conference is over!
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