Conservative Icon Calls for IMPEACHMENT Petition--Over Internet

[autorank]

Paul Craig Roberts has perfect conservative credentials from the Hoover Institution to the stint as a Treasury official for the Reagan administration to the WSJ Editorial Page. He also sounds like an angry, very smart leftist in just about every column.

He's calling for tens of millions of signatures on internet petitions demanding *'s impeachment. A VERY GOOD IDEA.

Look at this from his column on 10/10:

"George W. Bush is a natural born liar. He lied us into a war, and now he is lying to keep us there. <snip>

There still is a way to bring reality to the Bush administration. The public has the Internet. Is the antiwar movement well enough organized to collect via the Internet signatures on petitions for impeachment, perhaps one petition for each state? Millions of signatures would embarrass Bush before the world and embarrass our elected Representatives for their failure to act.

If no one in Congress acted on the petitions, all the rhetoric about war for democracy would fall flat. It would be obvious that there is no democracy in America.

[eleny]

1. "natural born liar"

great kooga-mooga!

[global1]

8. Wasn't There A Movie By That Title?.......

Oh - that was 'natural born killer' - Same Difference.

[autorank]

12. That was a "pre-cognitive" biography of *...that Oliver Stone!

[otohara]

30. Born Again Liar

also

[Auntie Bush]

41. "Born again liar." I like that!

Yep! The born again liar was lying again in his speech yesterday.

[UndergroundRadical]

2. It's like I've been saying for years.....

those in the Bush Sr. and Reagan administrations were still sane. The people in this current administation belong kranked up on tranquilizers. These people are deranged fucks who want to take over the Middle East. They are nuts. As you can see, many in the former Republican administrations are coming out of the woodwork to help us combat this neoconservative threat. Love him or hate him, Pat Buchanan is also is probably one of your greatest friends right now because he's been the main man to take on the neocons for the past 5 years.

[Bill Bored]

11. Buchanan also endorsed Shrub and was the only one at his Con Rag Mag

to do so in 2004. What does that say about him?

[UndergroundRadical]

20. it says he doesn't support the Bush administration's fascist policies....

and he bitterly is fighting the wacko neoconservatives along side us. I hate to say it but an enemy of my enemy is temporarily my friend.

[Bill Bored]

44. Fine. But as Robert Cooper has said, he sure helped put them there! nt

[Robert Cooper]

26. He wants RW judges

I read one of his articles defending his support for Bush. It was clear Pat was recognizing that only Bush was likely to put conservatives on the bench.

When he started to whine about the neocons, I pointed out to him that he was partly to blame for putting them there. Unlike years previous, he didn't respond. He also talked about how everyone has to rally around the party, so I pointed out his third-party effort to win the presidency. He didn't respond to that one either ;-)

Pat can do a good analysis on Bush's foreign misadventures. He -stinks- when it comes to domestic policies. But he can't override that security chip in his head that keeps him voting republican.

One more point about Pat, he still calls the Civil War "Lincoln's War" and claims the civil war wasn't fought over slavery. I quoted Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephens' speech from March 21, 1860 speech in Savannah as provided by Horace Greeley:

"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other - though last, not
the least: the new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution - African
Slavery as it exists among us - the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of
the late rupture and the present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the 'rock upon which the
old Union would split'. He was right ... The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at
the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the
laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how
to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somhow or other, in the order of Providence, the
institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the Constitution, was the prevailing
idea at the time. The Constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last; and
hence no argument can be justly used against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment
of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of
races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation; and the idea of a Government built upon it - when the storm came
and the wind blew, it fell.
"Our new government is founded upon the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the
great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that Slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his
natural, and normal condition. This, our new Government, is the first in the history of the world, based
upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

"The American Conflict" Volume I - Horace Greeley

He shut up after that.

[Bill Bored]

45. Well there are African-Americans who don't think it was fought over

slavery either who will cite Lincoln's letter to Greeley in which he stated that the preservation of the Union was the first priority whether it would mean the abolition of slavery or not. But I do think Lincoln wanted to end slavery too and it was one of a number of contributing factors which brought about the Civil War -- not that I'm any kind of expert.

Pat does seem to be inconsistent in a number of ways though.

[Robert Cooper]

51. Tell that to the boys of Gettysburg

Lincoln's first inaugural also made it clear he was not elected to abolish slavery. As the quote I provided demonstrates, it was the South who seceded for the sake of slavery and to end anti-slavery agitation from the North. The war was forced upon the North.

And there were many sons of the North who fought it for that reason. Greeley's "The American Conflict" is an excellent resource from that time.

[leesa]

32. Bush Sr and Reagan weren't sane, we just weren't able to get at the

information as readily. They were doing the same things and they paved the way for this nightmare.

[liberaltrucker]

3. Link, please?

nt

[autorank]

13. Link & many more great rants (sorry I forgot)

The article:
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/051010_end_war.htm


Other fun stuff (if this doesn't sound like GD Politics with a bunch of angry DEMS, I'll be surprised)
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/all_columns.htm

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[Bozita]

4. Almost all neocons are Republicans; but not all Republicans are neocons

Good post!

[texpatriot2004]

5. Hey Autorank, where can we sign up? n.t

[Kurovski]

9. Here are a few online impeachment petitions.

Pick one:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/impeachment/petition2.htm

http://www.petitiononline.com/ddc12/petition.html

http://archive.democrats.com/elandslide/petition.cfm?campaign=911

http://impeachbush.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=VTI_homepage

[texpatriot2004]

10. Thanks for the links. I signed up. I'll sign anything calling for

impeachment.

I demand impeachment NOW! This GOP run Congress is failing to do its duty of oversight. This GOP run Congress is actively participating in the cover-up of immoral and possibly illegal activities by the Bush administration...the "Cover-up Congress" I call them. This is NOT a partisan issue. The GOP in Congress are making it partisan and they are putting their party politics AHEAD OF THE INTERESTS OF THIS COUNTRY AND ITS CITIZENS. For these GOP members it's party loyalty unto death...not their own deaths mind you but the deaths of innocent others AND THE DEATH OF THIS COUNTRY. It is shameful. Impeachment NOW!

[0007]

31. Thank you Kurovski! n/t

[Kurovski]

34. You're welcome agent triple-o -seven!

Don't forget to pass the petitions around if you haven't already!

[autorank]

14. Better yet, who can we get to start it. Union, DFA (nah), ???

I'll sign.

[texpatriot2004]

17. Long ago I signed the Vote to impeach petition which now has

some 610,000 + sigs on it - they are looking for one million.

http://impeachbush.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=VTI_homepage

[Kurovski]

6. Well then, Paul Craig Roberts and Barbra Streisand agree.

Shrubby's gotta go.

Recommended.

[autorank]

15. (((lol)))

:rofl:

[Daphne08]

25. Paul Craig Roberts and Barbra Streisand agree on something?

Okay, it's settled.

It's the End of the World! :silly:

[Kurovski]

33. It's the end of the world as we know it...

and I feel fine.

[Kurovski]

7. here's a link to article

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts10112005.html

[autorank]

16. Right, and the guy is writing in Counterpunch!!!

Holy shit!

[Kurovski]

18. The article is on a number of sites.

He just wants to get the word out, is my guess.

Hey, you made greatest! But then, you're always greatest in my book. :thumbsup:

[autorank]

19. I am one with the insomniacs!!!

:yourock: ALL OF YOU. "Sleep is greatly over rated." autorank

[Kurovski]

22. I'm on the West Coast, so it's earlier. BUT

I've certainly pulled a few all-nighters on DU before. :-)

[calimary]

27. Here, here. I'm in L.A. Can't sleep. So I'm up late with DU!

At least at this hour, everybody else is asleep (except the cat). NO phones ringing. No TVs blaring. No kid nagging me for use of the computer. No nervous waiting around for other kid to get back with the car. The usuals at casa de calimary.

I just signed all those petitions. I will keep signing any I find.
And then some. It's important just to get this stuff out there. It's what NEEDS to be said. Because by saying it, you are voicing what others (maybe within earshot of you) are thinking, and giving validation to their thoughts - about which they may have assumed they were all alone in thinking. By uttering this, outwardly, you're letting those people know they AREN'T alone in their own IMPEACHMENT thinking. AND - to those who do not share this view, you're also putting THEM on notice that they're on borrowed time. Besides, you might eventually even turn one or two of 'em...

Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!
Then go DO something about it.

[autorank]

21. Let's encourage him to write in my fav., "Scoop" Independent Media!!!

?????:think:althecat, are you listening:think:?????

[Hissyspit]

23. Thanks, autorank

Did you change your username in the last year or so? I recognize your signatures, but not your name.

[autorank]

24. Same name, same sig; I've got a change in avatar. I'll switch back

to my old one. It will all make more sense.
:hi:

sig pic of harvey keitel is missing...

[PATRICK]

28. Cynical or sincere?

Are they seeing an opportunity to shove aside the ugly allegiance to the Bush dynasty which threatens to dominate or sink their gains? Or is this a true blue Con who suddenly realizes they have a criminal Pres has betrayed his country? A cynic or a dupe? It has to be at least partly cynical.

Any compromise or allegiance which would allow the Right to remain in unjust control of the cheating Bush's appointed government is stupid and unnecessary and any talk of balance or healing to smooth Bush out and leave his real damage intact is just a new danger. They should be encouraged to turn on their own and devour their own tail, unless you can find an honest or moderate voice in their travesty of a party.

[autorank]

36. "...an honest moderate voice." There are none. This guy will do.

I don't think Roberts has any illusion of returning the paleo cons to power. He knows the score. If we hvae fair elections, conservatives are finished. He's just a "truth teller." Take a look at the article on the inauguration

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050124_war.htm

After listening to his inaugural speech, anyone who thinks President Bush and his handlers are sane needs to visit a psychiatrist. The hubris-filled megalomaniac in the Oval Office has promised the world war without end.

Bush’s crazy talk has even upset rah-rah Republicans. One Republican called Bush’s speech "God-drenched." It has begun to dawn on the formerly Grand Old Party that a bloodless coup has occurred and that Republicans have lost their party to Jacobins, who cloak themselves under the term "neoconservatives."

[FourStarDemocrat]

29. I l ike the idea of organizing Impeachment petitions by state.

This way, it's very clear and to the point. If we could get at least 500,000 sigs per state, for about 30-40 States and present them at the same time in a huge ceremony I think it would call great attention and make a difference.

Btw, Great post Autocrank, recommended!

[Disturbed]

35. I don't like the idea of only Impeaching GW.

I believe that VP Cheney should be Impeached first, thrown out and then indicted for War Crimes and other High Crimes. GW should be next.

[autorank]

38. Cheney goes first, resigns. Then a hack for VP that "everybody respects"

and, btw, he "won't run in 2008." Then Bush "resigns" for "health reasons."

Cheney's current visits to the Oval Office are the closest he gets to being president...correction, Cheney's role as the real president is the closest he gets to the official title;)

[FourStarDemocrat]

53. Yes, that would be the ideal way, or we'll be stuck with Pres. Cheney

Not that very much would be different, since he's already running things. We could also end up with a president Hastert, or as Kos argued in his post the other day, impeachment could give the Republicans a chance to get someone in and 'clean house', raising the republican's ethical image and getting them organized again.

However, I think the chance of that scenerio happening is slim, since there's not an ethical, trustworthy person in their national party that's capable of doing that--not to mention there's hardly a one that doesn't have ties to corruption. The Bush administration needs to be thoroughly repudiated for theirlies and crimes, so impeachment fits and would the beginning of justice for them.

[autorank]

37. You're right about attention. We could have contests--how well is

your state doing, as a function of the total population. The winning state could get a parize like no Bush-Cheney visits ever.

It's time.

[Kurovski]

39. Hehehe...you said "crank".

[FourStarDemocrat]

40. hehe..I mixed his name up with DU'er Democrank for a sec. :-) n/t

[autorank]

43. Thanks. We share the same Presidential candidate....

...although I'm impressed with Warner (I'm in VA). When it appeared that the Republicans ripped off the Attorney General race (and they probably did, it's being challenged), Warner pounded the podium election night and said "we're fighting for every vote." No hesitation, no backing off.

They'd make a great team. Clark has the gravitas and global experience, Warner has the governing experience (VA-best managed state in the union, independent survey) and the business experience as well (e.g., Nextell).

Warner needs to go left. Clark needs a first rate campaign organization. Warner and Kaine made a strategic decision to take VA by winning real big in Northern Virginia. They had great staff (I worked with them as a grunt precinct 'captain') and brilliant strategy (came in a shook things up here in NOVA). Wow, this is exciting.

[FourStarDemocrat]

52. I really like Warner too..

I've just started to learn more about him this year. I'd also like him to lean a little more to the left on issues, and agree with you that he and Clark would make a terrific team. And I've heard that they have worked well together so far in regards to campaigning for Kaine. Congrats on the election results. I'm so happy for you all in Virginia. :)

[Independent_Liberal]

42. Paul Craig Roberts, John Dean, Pat Buchanan and a member of the first Bush

administration (I forget the person's name) have all called for W's impeachment. It's good that so many members of previous Republican administrations can see through all the Neocon craziness.

[loyalsister]

55. Aren't they generous?

This is Dad's admin sweeping in to try to bail Jr. out again.
He could martyr himself in the process of an impeachment in a way that would rescue his legacy in one of the most nauseating PR stunts we could imagine.
People believe the good 'ol boy routine.
If there is a stealth investigation with charges that are even slightly dubious, the public will side the the guy who they may feel they need to be in good shape to protect their self interests.
An impeachment would just call neutral people who feel like the president's job is important out to do his bidding.

[Rodger Dodger]

46. I agree there is no democracy in America there isn't even a semblance of i

Democracy, democracy, democracy, I’m sick to death hearing it repeated over and over: the USA is a Republic in every sense of the word.

Federal elections are decided by appointed members of the Electoral College not by the majority vote of the people.

The House of Representatives are elected by the majority of those voting, however. The US Senate is not proportionately elected there are two for each state: even those states that have more cows than people. And the Vice President – a member of the Executive Branch- acts as President of the Senate; to make or brake a tie vote.

The Executive Branch has the capability of keeping secretes via Executive Privilege. The President even has the right to have his/her official dealing kept from the public for twenty plus year after they leave office.

Even the Supreme Court, with its high minded statue of Justice blindfolded holding a balanced is a sham. Conservative and liberals are both doing their best put that scale out of balance, by putting their mark-read that as putting their thumb on the scale-of justice to insure it isn't in balance, and tilted in their favor. Justice is simply a believable fiction. And it takes hundreds of thousand dollars going through the justice system to get to the Supreme Court to have your case heard. That justice for the wealthy not the down trodden.

And last but not least Democracy’s can be bought by Capitalists, as well as manipulated by those elected. They believe they are there to feather their own nest to insure their reelection. People read about it daily. Don’t you believe it time we own up to the fallacies of Democracy?

[NVMojo]

47. excellent find, Autorank!

[Nothing Without Hope]

48. But what does he think this will do about CHENEY - who is behind

most of these policies? He has to be Spiroed - impeaching Bush and getting President Cheney would be a total disaster.

I'll look through the thread and see if I can find a link to the column you're citing - if he doesn't include Cheney (and Rice and the other liars and criminals) in his plans, he really isn't on the right track at all.

[kineneb]

49. PCR calls the bushies "Jacobins" - no love lost there

I have read most of his articles since they started showing up on antiwar.com and counterpunch. He thinks the whole lot must go, but seems particularly teed-off with Hopeless George.

[Kurovski]

50. It's understandable since George is basically an insult to

anyone who took the time to graduate from the eighth grade.

[Oceansaway]

54. Dubya needs to be put out to pasteur...and soon....