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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:46 PM
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Avian Flu - Vaccination Fraud Debunked
by DR. LEONARD G. HOROWITZ, DMD, MA, MPH
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=8&contentid=2869

"The current avian flu fright is sanctioned by military- medical- pharmaceutical-petrochemical industrialists operating above the law in many documented instances. Having testified before the U.S. Congress, I personally experienced how premiere pharmaceutical industrialists direct our political- economic representatives in government.

"Emerging diseases complement the political "War on Terrorism," and our bioterror-influenced culture. This agenda serves two primary objectives: profitability and population-reduction."

If avian flu becomes more than a threatened pandemic, it will have done so by political and economic design.

This thesis is supported by current massive media misrepresentations, profiteering on risky and valueless vaccines, gross neglect of data evidencing earlier similar man-made plagues including SARS, West Nile Virus, AIDS and more; continuance of genetic studies breeding more mutant flu viruses likely to outbreak, inside trading scandals involving pandemic savvy White House and drug industry officials, curious immunity of these pharmaceutical entities over the past century to law enforcement and mainstream media scrutiny, and published official depopulation objectives.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:51 PM
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1. Bull.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:57 PM
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2. I don't agree
So far, spread of H5N1 virus from person to person has been rare and spread has not continued beyond one person. However, because all influenza viruses have the ability to change, scientists are concerned that the H5N1 virus could one day be able to infect humans and spread easily from one person to another. Because these viruses do not commonly infect humans, there is little or no immune protection against them in the human population. If the H5N1 virus were able to infect people and spread easily from person to person, an 'influenza pandemic' could begin. No one can predict when a pandemic might occur. However, experts from around the world are watching the H5N1 situation in Asia very closely and are preparing for the possibility that the virus may begin to spread more easily and widely from person to person.

Not really cause for overt alarm IMO.

Remember SARS? Remember the daily predictions of pandemic? Remember the stories of mass panics and deaths in China? Here's the full load of how much horror it inflicted on China: deaths from SARS at 55 on China's Mainland. This is a world total as best I can find. During the global SARS outbreak of 2003, there were:

8,098 probable cases and 774 deaths from SARS worldwide, and 438 probable or suspected SARS cases, causing 44 deaths in Canada.

Not exactly the pandemic it was advertised. The fear of SARS was even used in my home town in the middle of rural Kentucky. It never happened.

So, sure, H5N1 is something to keep an eye on. It is something to research and prevent. It - along with any pandemic - is something for first responders of any government to plan for.

But, it is not something to fear right now.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 09:29 PM
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12. Maybe I read you wrong. Thought you were stating a man-made cause -
not for fear of a pandemic - but for a pandemic.

ie - if you're saying AIDS, as an example, is a man made disease, I've got to disagree.

Could have misread your post, though.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:59 PM
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3. Avian Flu is perfectly capable of becoming pandemic without any
assistance from political or military operatives. Viruses are very "clever". And humans are fast becoming a continuous monoculture on the face of the earth, which is a recipe for a massive disease-induced die-off of ANY species.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:05 PM
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4. According to a microbioligist on CNN today
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 07:05 PM by Christa
I just watched somebody on CNN, a professor in micro-biology (I'm trying to get a link), saying there is NO evidence that the flu can spread to humans, as it is BIRDFLU. Even if it mutates enough times to inefect a human, it will not be contagious

This is whole scare so stransparent - the old scare tactics again.

From the British Medical Journal:

The lack of sustained human-to-human transmission suggests that this AH5N1 avian virus does not currently have the capacity to cause a human pandemic.

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/extract/331/7523/975



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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:34 PM
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6. Avian Flu (H5N1) has INDEED spread from birds to humans on numerous
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 07:35 PM by kestrel91316
occasions over the last several years, since its debut in Hong Kong in about 1997. It has a VERY high mortality rate when it does so. It has only once spread from person to person, so it is not yet "good" at that. But given time, this mutation-prone virus will mutate in just the "right" way, and we will be in serious trouble.

OF COURSE it does not "currently have the capacity to cause a human pandemic", and NO ONE is saying it does. The concern is for the FUTURE, not the present time. We have the opportunity to do some advance planning to prepare for that day, and we had better do it.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:37 PM
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8. This is not transparent scare tactics. This is a very REAL potential
threat. I suspect you misunderstood something the guy on CNN said.

I, too, am a microbiologist by education and training, and a practicing veterinarian. I know my germs.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 09:13 PM
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11. I still don't believe a word of it.
There has been to many scare tactics - I will believe this one when I see it.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 10:16 PM
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13. Just bear in mind that Bush was ignoring this one until the
MEDICAL and INFECTIOUS DISEASE community raised hell about it. It's not his idea to face this REAL threat.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:13 PM
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5. BushCo allowed Nawlins to crash and burn. They trashed Iraq for profit.
If you look into the ultrachristian agenda, it's not too difficult to imagine them seeing an approaching disaster as an opportunity.

Of course, it's massive tin-foil-hat time, but would you put it past BushCo to hoard vaccine for themselves, and their base, and allow the rest of us to languish, then come up with their solution, which would be another power grab/installation of their money machine? Wouldn't ultrachristians see it as an opportunity to ring in the rapture and install themselves as patrons of the nation? If you have plans to rise after disaster, you'll likely succeed, while those around you suffer. I don't put this sort of selfishness past them, not one bit.

Didn't someone warn one of BushCo to not fly on 9/11? Was this ever confirmed?
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:36 PM
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7. Cheney - I think it was Cheney that was warned not to fly. nt.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 08:26 PM
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9. I thought it was Ashkkkroft.
But I can't swear to that.

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 09:11 PM
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10. Thanks for the welcome
Great site, great members :toast: :party: :hi:
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