How a TRUE christian President acts

[Rebellious Republican]

I was a looking up some info on Jimmey Carter for a Christian repub friend of mine. She is starting to question this admin, she "votes for republicans because they are republicans". In other words she votes a straight republican ticket regardless of the candidate.

Anyway, so I was going to show how a true christian president acts and I ran across this piece. I thought if anyone needed some good info on christian talking points, this is a good read.

I highlighted one excellent point

snip> Carter is widely regarded as the first openly Born Again president, and perhaps the most Evangelical president in U.S. history. He is an active Sunday School teacher and has written inspirational Christian books.
Carter is considered by most historians to be the first formally Evangelical/self-declared Born Again president. Carter was long associated with the Southern Baptist Convention, and was a Southern Baptist while in office. Although he remained a devout Baptist, he renounced his association with the Southern Baptist Convention in October 2000.

Carter was formerly a Southern Baptist, although during his presidential campaign said his favorite Christian theologians were not Baptist. Carter has had some disagreements with the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention, including statements he made in 1997 in response to SBC attacks on Mormons. In a teleconference interview with religion writers from throughout the United States, Carter said Mormons are already Christian and he criticized the SBC for trying to proselyte Mormons. He stated: "Too many leaders now, I think, in the Southern Baptist Convention and in other conventions, are trying to act as the Pharisees did, who were condemned by Christ, in trying to define who can and who cannot be considered an acceptable person in the eyes of God. In other words, they're making judgments on behalf of God. I think that's wrong." Carter said that "the people in my own local church have no interest in trying to condemn Mormons or trying to convert Mormons to be good old Baptists like me." .

In October 2000, Carter again made headlines with his widely-publicized decision to leave the Southern Baptist Convention. Carter sent out over 75,000 letters to Southern Baptist churches nationwide explaining his decision. He felt that his Christian commitment had not changed, but that the cumulative changes in the SBC had made the organization a group that his Christian conscience could not let him support.<snip
:wow:




http://www.adherents.com/people/pc/Jimmy_Carter.html

[Demaholic]

1. It's true...

I too used to belong to a church, but God saved me from that shit...

Good read!

[DanCa]

2. Jimmy Carter will be on Larry King tonight talking about the religious

right.

[Rebellious Republican]

6. Thanks for the hads up DanCa. N/T

[tocqueville]

3. in a secular democracy a President cannot be a "Christian"

in his exercise of power

the only ideological motive he must have is the well being of his people

what he then thinks privately, is unimportant.

the President CANNOT be guided by his personal religious beliefs when there is separation of Church and State. Even if they are "good". It's a matter of principles.

Why is it so difficult to understand ?

[Rebellious Republican]

7. absolutely tocqueville! N/T

[FreedomAngel82]

12. I'm reminded of Kennedy's speech about that

How different times have changed since than eh?

[DanCa]

15. Yep now I know how captain america felt when he thawed out from the

ice berg.

[JJackFlash]

4. Maybe he was too Christian

I still think he should have bombed the fuck out of Iran when they were holding us hostage.

[Rebellious Republican]

9. I don't think his religion had much to do with his actions JJackFlash

He had poor advice from the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I was in the Navy when all that was going on. I served at NAS Fallon Nevada. I remember the night they descended on the base at night, no one was told that they were going to use our base as a practice area. They left before daybreak. Most people did not know they were even there.

What happened was all the services wanted a piece of the pie. So the Joint Chiefs cooked up this rescue attempt (that failed miserably) and sold it to the President as a non violent option. Remember your history, why it was just 3 years prior that Israel pulled off a similar very succesful rescue. Operation Thunderbolt, the IDF's daring 1976 rescue of Jewish hostages held at Entebbe, Uganda.

Snip>President Jimmy Carter had ordered the rescue attempt after six months of frustration over Iran's refusal to release the hostages. The operation, named Eagle Claw, was not a simple one.

Helicopters flying from a carrier in the Persian Gulf were to ferry Delta Force commandos to a location outside Tehran from which the rescue would be launched. First the helicopters would have to rendezvous for refueling with C-130s flying from a base in Oman at a spot in Iran labeled Desert One.

A swirling sandstorm and mechanical problems forced two helicopters to drop out. As the forces gathered at Desert One, a third helicopter developed a hydraulic leak. Deciding he no longer had the force needed to succeed, the commander, Army Colonel Charles Beckwith, scrubbed the mission.<snip
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/iran-mission.htm

The problem with our attempt was the fact that all four services were involved in a very small mission. Anyone that has served in the military from that era can tell you that none spoke the same language. None had the same logistics and support systems. Which made for bad communications. Yeah, they say bad weather screwed up the operation, It was just a plain bad idea to begin with.

Hence the creation of

Special Operations Command, will function as both a supported and a supporting command. Since 1987 the Special Operations Command has been organized as a supporting command, meaning it provides warriors and materiel to the various regional combatant commanders, who then plan and direct missions. By organizing at SOCOM headquarters in Tampa, as well as at smaller theater Special Operations commands in regional theaters, the Special Operations Command will have the tools it will need to plan and execute missions in support of the global war on terror. This expanded operational role will be in addition to the current role it plays as a supporting command.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/awc-sof.htm

The United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM or USSOC) is charged with overseeing the various Special Operations Commands (SOC or SOCOM) of each branch of the U.S. military. The command is part of the U.S. Department of Defense. When Special Operations Forces (SOF) of different branches are used for the same operation, USSOCOM acts as the Joint Command Center (JCC) of all the forces used in the operation. USSOCOM is headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Operations_Command

:patriot:

[JJackFlash]

10. Thanks for that

interesting post.
Yes, it was a risky operation - too risky - and it blew up in America's face. If he had shown righteous wrath and bombed sensitive areas in Iran we never would have had a President Raygun (never could stand that phony). Yes, we could have lost all the hostages, but we should have shown real force.

[mrcheerful]

5. Yeah isn't it funny how fundies

ignored and decried Carter as anti religious when he ran against Reagan the lying convert? That sent a warning signal to me to start voting and casting any votes for those that claimed they were born again christens. Only judgmental hypocrites brag about their relationship with christ, its actions not words that show the true manner of christen your dealing with. Those that feel they have to defend their beliefs are not as faithful as they try to say they are, the faithful know they don't need to announce or prove they are good christens. They let it be known by their actions and how they treat their fellow man by acts of kindness. When has a bragging born again ever done more then say anything? Just like they proclaim they support the troops yet do nothing to show that support outside of sticking a ribbon on their car suv or whatever they drive.

[Rebellious Republican]

8. Well said mrcheerful. N/T

[FreedomAngel82]

11. He's such a wonderful person

I as a Christian really admire him and his faith and public service. He's more of a Christian than George Bush can ever dream of being. He's how a faithful public servant should be. He doesn't impose his beliefs on others into law like the rightwing and he actually walks the talk. Didn't he teach a Bible class while he was president at a Baptist church he attended?

[Rebellious Republican]

13. Yes he did FreedomAngel82....

snip>Carter is widely regarded as the first openly Born Again president, and perhaps the most Evangelical president in U.S. history. He is an active Sunday School teacher and has written inspirational Christian books.<snip
http://www.adherents.com/people/pc/Jimmy_Carter.html

:hi:

[DanCa]

14. He even mentioned that Thomas Jefferson said there must be a wall

between church and state. The man is wonderful.