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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:05 PM
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Dean's campaign is repeating Clinton's 1992 campaign
Similarities:

1) Both successful governors from small states.
2) Both took third in Iowa
3) Both took second in NH
4) Both competeing for a shot at a man named George Bush after going to war with Iraq.
5) Both set fund raising records.

If the pattern continues, Dean will win the nomination and beat Bush and then set our country on the parth to economic prosperity, a balanced budget and a budget surplus.

History tends to repeat itself, and Dean is going to pull this off just like Clinton did.

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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:06 PM
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1. Dean's Done for Now, but Maybe Elected VT Senator in 2006
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:06 PM
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2. I believe Clinton took fourth in Iowa.
But yeah. We just gotta get the nomination away from Kerry now.

Later.

RJS
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Monument Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:09 PM
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7. One main difference
is that Clinton was surging in the polls around New Hampshire with successful spin of his lady problems. Dean's standing in the polls is precipitously falling. He was up by around 20 points in NH, what, 2 weeks ago?

I admire Dean greatly, but I think it's naive to think that his campaign can easily pull out a big victory. He's behind in all the polls down south.

One thing for certain, it'll be a much more exciting election that Clinton v. Bush 1!
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:12 PM
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10. Who said "easily?"
Everything about this campaign is a fight, and we like it that way.

Later.

RJS
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:07 PM
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3. Differences
1) Clinton's primary opponents were weak
2) Clinton had connections in the DNC, a result of his leading the DLC
3) Clinton did not run against any wars
4) When history repeats itself, the 2nd time is a farce.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:07 PM
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4. I hate to be brutually honest
but Clinton wasnt the front runner going in to Iowa nor had he been on Time and Newsweek magazine twice. No I am not telling you to pack up your bags and give up but I personally think Dean was expected to win both of these and thats unlike Clinton. Anything can still happen though.
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:08 PM
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5. Anything is possible...
...and we're sticking with our hearts.

Later.

RJS
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:12 PM
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9. he was the front runner going into NH
ahead of Tsongas from neighboring Mass until the "bimble erruption" and draft evasion stories began. Then he slipped well behind and ended up coming in second with 24.8% of the vote--"The Comeback Kid".
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:16 PM
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12. Clinton was the frontrunner going in to NH?
Listen keep the fight up, dont give up, but Dean was once up by 30 points in New Hampshire and was the frontrunner. I am not telling you to give up, but I wanna make it clear that Dean and Clinton's situation 12 years ago despite their finishes are very different, Dean was a month expect to win both NH and Iowa and was at the top of every poll, Clinton was at like 5%. I am just saying, their situations were very different, I am not telling you to give up, I always was pissed when people told me to unite behind the front runner and it was even worse because it was December.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:09 PM
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6. Where did Clinton win..
after NH?

He was a Southerner, so he had that advantage which Dean does not. I'd love to see Dean pull it off, because I think we need someone with fire in the belly.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:11 PM
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8. I don't think that you can look to history
for a gauge in 2004 for many reasons, not the least, is the compressed primary schedule and proportional delegate allocation.

It seemed pretty clear that Dean was attempting to emulate Jimmy Carter, another relatively unknown, centrist governor: camp out in IA and NH, capture two surprise victories and ride the MO to the nomination.

Regarding Dean as Clinton: Dean was a 'favored son' candidate in NH, along with Kerry. Clinton was a regional outsider so a 2nd by Clinton was much more significant than a 2nd by Dean. Also, Clinton's 2nd place was actually a bit closerto Tsongas than Dean was to Kerry. A final very IMPORTANT fact is that following NH, Clinton was headed into a raft of southern primaries were he was very, very well positioned. You can't really say that Dean is headed into his strength on Feb 3rd.

All that said, I'd really like Gov Dean to do very well on Feb 3rd. I think keeping the race open for as long as possible is actually good for keeping democrats in high media profile and keeps a lot of negative * bashing on the front pages.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:15 PM
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11. Clinton was never expected to win Iowa or NH. Dean was.
Big difference. Dean spent two years and millions of dollars in NH and walked away with the HIGHEST UNFAVORABLE ratings of all the candidates.

You may not like it, but before Iowa Dean's unfavorables were 34%...high. Yesterday they were reported at 43%...WAY tioo high for a nomination and especially a general election.

Reality.
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:18 PM
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13. Difference...
One is a poltical genius, the other is a political fool.

I'll let you guess which is which.
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