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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:47 AM
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Nutjobs at Weakly Standard whine about "criminalizing conservatives"
Edited on Sat Oct-15-05 11:56 AM by jefferson_dem
:nopity: ... :rofl: :spray:

LOL! Paranoid, desperate, delusional deflection...-->

Fall of 2005 will be remembered as a time when it became clear that a strategy of criminalization had been implemented to inflict defeat on conservatives.

by William Kristol

THE MOST EFFECTIVE CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATOR of--oh--the last century or so, Congressman Tom DeLay, was indicted last month for allegedly violating Texas campaign finance laws, and has vacated his position as House majority leader. The Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, is under investigation by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission for his sale of stock in the medical company his family started.

White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove and vice presidential chief of staff Scooter Libby have been under investigation by a special federal prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, for more than two years. When appointed in 2003 by the Bush Justice Department, Fitzgerald's mandate was to find out if the leaking to reporters of the identity of a CIA employee, Valerie Plame, was a violation of a 1982 statute known as the Philip Agee law, and if so, who violated it. It now seems clear that Rove and Libby are the main targets of the prosecutor, and that both are in imminent danger of indictment.

What do these four men have in common, other than their status as prosecutorial targets? Since 2001, they have been among the most prominent promoters of the conservative agenda of the Bush administration. For over four years, they have helped two strong conservatives, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, successfully advance an agenda for change in America. To the extent these four are sidelined, there is a real chance that the Bush-Cheney administration will become less successful.

<SNIP>

Why are conservative Republicans, who control the executive and legislative branches of government for the first time in living memory, so vulnerable to the phenomenon of criminalization? Is it simple payback for the impeachment of Bill Clinton? Or is it a reflection of some deep malady at the heart of American politics? If criminalization is seen to loom ahead for every conservative who begins successfully to act out his or her beliefs in government or politics, is the project of conservative reform sustainable?

We don't pretend to have all the answers, or a solid answer even to one of these questions. But it's a reasonable bet that the fall of 2005 will be remembered as a time when it became clear that a comprehensive strategy of criminalization had been implemented to inflict defeat on conservatives who seek to govern as conservatives. And it is clear that thinking through a response to this challenge is a task conservatives can no longer postpone.

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/211eywgm.asp
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:48 AM
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1. I, for one, think that being a 'conservative' should be made ..
criminal (just kidding - sort of).
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:54 AM
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5. Answer?
Willie, you smart little conservative, it's easy:

ABSOLUTELY POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!

You guys took all this power and squandered it on greed and perks for the ruling class. Being so self absorbed at the expense of humanity lacks a lotta smarts in my book.

The neocon conduct of Iraq is going down in history as one of America's worst blunders of the last 230 years! Get Wolfie's world bank to pay for the Iraq blunder itself, you evil pompus asses.

Keep on denying karma and see what it gets your ilk, Bill!

-85%
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 12:19 PM
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9. You're right there.
Kharma is a ..
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:50 AM
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2. Stop breaking the law!
Sheesh.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:54 PM
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13. That just reminded me of the scene from "Liar, Liar"
where Jim Carrey is talking over the phone to this guy who keeps comitting crimes but Carrey is always able to get him off, and he is now asking what he should do as he has comitted another crime. Carrey's response? "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE!"
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:51 AM
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3. oh boo hoo you poor, persecuted rich white man..
My liberal heart bleeds for you and your victimization... Rest your weary head, you pathetic little fellow.....

Gawd... these people just kill me...
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:53 AM
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4. Funny how the rw states a lie as fact
this is not the first time the repukes have controlled both the WH and the congress. Why oh Why do they keep thinking americans are so forgetful, damn wheres my car keys?
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:55 AM
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6. Maybe they're "vulnerable to the phenomenon of criminalization" because
they've committed criminal acts?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 12:06 PM
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8. When their own accountability is at issue,
cause and effect are the most impenetrable, the most imponderable of mysteries. Not even relativism gets a look in.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 12:04 PM
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7. Vacated?
There is a LAW that required him to step down. Yeah, those pesky laws that most of us obey every day of our lives. Oh what a pain?

Is this guy eating fruit loops? Remember Nixon? Iran/Contra ring a bell?

How can they be so blind. (rhetorical)
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 12:22 PM
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10. If Conservatives Stop Acting Like Criminals, Then
If Conservatives stop acting like criminals, then they won't be treated (and prosecuted) like criminals. If the faction running the Republican Party wants to turn the GOP into a white-bread, Social-Darwinist version of Mexico's famously corrupt PRI, they run the risk of being prosecuted for corruption, campaign finance law violations, and other malfeasance.

I have no sympathy for right-wing bleating about their alleged "criminalization" and would delight in seeing one right-wing avatar after another being convicted in a state or federal court and sent to prison like the criminals they are.

:nopity: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:


It's high time that the voters throw Corrupt-icans and Conserva-crooks out of office, then sic the public prosecutors on them.

PS Here's a heads-up for lurking conservatives and Freeperstanis: I've heard that the other cons don't like whiners in the Big House.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 01:23 PM
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11.  The problem with this nut job writers theory is

Patrick Fitzgerald, who put Karl Rove and Scooter Libby on the hot seat, is a Republican.

The Justice Department and The Securities and Exchange Commission investigating Frist are both headed by Republican * crony appointees. Then There’s the Texas Grand Jury that indicted Delay…Where’s the evidence that any of this is pay back for the Rethugs stalking President Clinton for 8 years?

William Kristol is an idiot.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 12:06 PM
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12. They're anything but conservatives, anyway.
At least in terms of economics and a religious faith recognisable to the rest of the country as Christianity, however flawed.

But just supposing it were pay-back, what indication have they ever given that they are contrite, reformed and would never try to pull such stunts again? Absolutely none. Indeed, quite the reverse. They appear to be as unprincipled as ever.

And if they did give such encouragement, they are such endemic liars, who could justifiably believe them?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:25 PM
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15. Sorry. Economically they are behaving as conservatives have always
behaved. Handing out corporate welfare and tax cuts to their buddies as fast as they can. Don't support the nonsense that conservatives are fiscally responsible. Look at the government records of Dems vs Republicans...and make sure it includes military pork and corporate perks.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:22 AM
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29. Yes, you're obviously right.
I suppose the scale of this pork threw me; to the extent of swallowing the traditional "conservative" propaganda.

Cutting benefits to the poor, while pouring immeasurably more public money than is "saved", into the coffers of the rich, doesn't constitute fiscal conservatism, does it. A cameo of this in the UK is the fuss made about welfare fraud, which of course is positively dwarfed by the fraud perpetrated by the Government's big business friends. When one considers that they even change the laws to maximise their ill-gotten gains to the nth degree, well, it's right off the scale, isn't it?

Worse, the maniacally unpatriotic, selfish policies of the far-right - who consider themselves to be the country - always lead to economic ruin and/or war and economic ruin. In the case of the UK and the USA, mostly the exacta. Even as they boast of how strong they have been making the country (themselves).
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:23 PM
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14. What do they have in common? They ALL broke the law.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:47 PM
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16. Confusing the criminalization of criminal behavior
with the criminalization of the conservative ideology. Not a terribly difficult thing to confuse, considering that RW ideology is criminal to the core, believing in obtaining power at all costs and violating the law as much as you can possibly get away with. It's the whining after they get caught that's so pathetic.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:58 PM
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17. These aren't "conservatives". .. who is he kidding?
These are radical extremists with a comprehensive goal of rewriting history in their image. I don't regard people like Dobson, Robertson and the Rev. Moon as representative of "conservatism". . .they are wingnuts.

And a wingnut always assigns conspiracy theories instead of dealing with themselves or the reality of their mistakes.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:12 PM
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18. Personal Responsibility. Personal Responsibility.
Personal Responsibility.

What ever happened to Personal Responsibility? They criminalized themselves.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:44 PM
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19. Why would they want "criminalizing and "conservatives" next to each other?
Seems odd because that's all people will remember. Conservatives and criminals. Not a good word choice. If you are a conservative.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:48 PM
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20. How about..
... we just criminilize CRIMES, oh and while we're at it, let's crimilalize fuzzy logic, disingenuous diatribes and rampant stupidity.

Every neocon would be in jail and Kristol in particular, who I really think is smarter than this, could avoid picking up the soap.
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:39 PM
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21. Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:49 PM
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22. This is a sick & delusional human being
Wouldn't it be nice if this a reflection on some criminal behavior in his own closet?

Now THAT would be justice....
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:50 PM
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23. If nutjobbery is criminalized...
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 11:57 PM by Crunchy Frog
then only criminals will be nutjobs. Or something like that.

Oh, and it's nice to see that Project X is proceeding according to plan. Sounds like Kristol may be on to it, so keep it buttoned. ;)
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:04 AM
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24. what do they have in common? they are all CRIMINALS!
Why are conservative Republicans so vulnerable to the phenomenon of criminalization?

Duh.

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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:04 AM
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25. delete
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 12:06 AM by orangepeel68
I felt so strongly, I posted it twice!

:D
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:21 AM
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26. There's a third thing kristov left off
There's the impression that they've committed a crime.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:43 AM
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27. Criminalizing the criminals...
cry me a river.:nopity:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:41 AM
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28. I was alive during Watergate, folks -- Nixon had his defenders to the end.
And many are alive and well today. Still, he went down. I hope we haven't changed so much as a nation that that cannot happen today.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:36 AM
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30. That shit's hilarious.....
Uh, Bill....maybe they're being "criminalized" because (dig this): THEY ACTUALLY COMMITTED SERIOUS CRIMES.

How much you wanna bet some rich dickhead at Olin or Heritage came up with the "criminalizing conservatives" talking point to make it seem like those high-ranking rightists who are under indictment are not actually guilty of wrong-doing but are merely the victims of a witch-hunt? Guys: you have all three branches of government and the media. the 'underdog' card doesn't work anymore.

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:03 PM
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31. "Why", Billy? I'll tell you why
Because you cocksuckers are so corrupt, you've even got the voting machines fixed. So we can't take these bastards out in the conventional way--by voting them out.

You asked for this when you took our last right away.

Now, little Billy, time for you to move to some other country so you can exploit IT'S government and institutions. You've pretty much used this one up.
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