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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:41 PM
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If Kerry wins, how long will it be before we will have "buyer's Remorse"?
The media will really zoom in on him, and we will find out things we wished we had known be for the election.

I'll give it a month - at the most- before - we say "What on God's earth were we thinking?

The time to THINK, is now - before we seriously mess up.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:42 PM
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1. Yesterday
nt
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:44 PM
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2. About the 3rd. time we have to hear Theresa
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 12:44 PM by NewHampster
Heard she already plans to replace the State China with good stuff.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:52 PM
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21. omg
lolololol

not that it's cool to go after a candidate's wife.
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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:44 PM
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3. You bring up a point
that people really need to consider, I think. I think it would be quick.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:45 PM
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4. There is going to be "crap" thrown at anyone who is the nomminee.
Why is it that we are so ept on attacking John Kerry???

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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:57 PM
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9. Uh...my wife says he's as stiff as Al Gore, and as boring as ....
well Lieberman....

To sum it up best, I heard another DU'er say Kerry looks like he should be throwing apples at Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:06 PM
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14. LOL
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:49 PM
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5. Yours is a great point, but it will be the same way for any candidate...
As soon as we have a nominee the media will turn on that
man in such a way our heads will spin.

They have been doing it to Clark ad nauseum since he entered
the race. They flirted with it for the past month against
Dean.

However, any and all of them will be the victim of the "Politics
of Personal Destruction" the moment a winner is declared.

Karl Rove and the GOP will set the agenda and the corporate
media (led by the priveleged class) will do the deed.

It happened to Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, and Gore.
It is inevitable and seems to get worse and more virulent with
time.

George W. Bush is an incompetent fundamentalist right wing
nut. The whole world (except for America) knows this. There
is no need to wonder why. We are led by the nose via a propaganda
campaign. We are no longer truly free because we are no longer truly
informed.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:52 PM
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6. We had 8 great years under Clinton, but he still had
problems. John Kerry is the best man for US and for this country. He will fight to get back what we lost the past 3 years - and what a fight it will be.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:10 PM
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18. Yeah, what a fight.
A PNAC Bonesman fighting a PNAC Bonesman. Who loses?

America. :(
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:53 PM
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7. A minimum of gaffes. Kerry is careful about what he says in public.
He has demonstrated that he can handle the likes of MTP's Tim Russert.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:55 PM
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8. Big deal - they attacked him for over 30 years...you might learn more
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 12:56 PM by blm
about Kerry that you like.

Kerry was ostracized by most of Washington for his dogged investigations.

>>>>>
Kerry and the Iran-Contra Fight
Before the conventional wisdom sets in on Kerry as some kind of careful pol with no bite, folks should reach back and remember his role back in the 1980s in challenging the whole Reagan administration ties to money laundering, drug running and the Contras down in Central America. Kerry was willing for years to face down the CIA, the Justice Department and narco-terrorists in pursuing the dirty dealings of the Reagan-North network of rightwing drug-linked paramilitaries.

http://www.nathannewman.org/log/archives/000945.shtml
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CertusLaurus Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:58 PM
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10. Need to wake up before next week
Kerry's past (not to mention his wife) will start to become a major issue. Dean has withstood this kind of attack for months and all they could come up with to attack was his style (i.e. "the scream"). Kerry will falter and we will be left with another Mass. Dem who will be rejected by the rest of the country.

Dean is right, the only way to win is to bring in new people with new energy, and he is the only one who can.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:10 PM
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17. First of all, why is his wife an issue at all?
Secondly, Kerry has been a GOP target since the 70s. I have been on the receiving end of some GOP dirty tricks that involved Andy Card and Ron Kauffman. THis was minor compared to what they've done to Kerry. Remember, Andy Card is from Massachusetts and his "expertise" in nastiness was honed there.

The Boston Globe did an amazing expose of Kerry a while ago. It was pretty detailed. It's all out there.

I don't think we'll be disappointed by John Kerry.
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CertusLaurus Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 03:21 PM
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30. His wife is an issue because....
she has the political awareness of a guppy and like it or not- that matters (as long as he is going to let her speak- personally I like Dean's approach and I applaud his wife for having the self-worth to stay out of the way).

Kerry has never withstood NATIONAL attack the way Dean has.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:59 PM
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11. Instantly.
Sorry, I just can't get excited about Kerry.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:03 PM
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12. If Dean wins the very FIRST group that will be sorely disappointed
will be his base. Why? Because they are willing to dismiss all his centrism for his anti-war stance. They are willing to dismiss the fact that HE locked out portions of the base that voted for him when he was governer..and they THINK he is NOT an establishment politician.

I would almost like to see him get the nomination and win just to see the same people that flamed everyone else bitching and moaning over the next 4 years.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:07 PM
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15. No true
His supporters are ignoring nothing. We know who he is and why we are voting for him. Sorry you don't understand that.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:00 PM
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23. You don't appear to be very familiar with Dean's "base".
You don't appear to be very familiar with Dean's "base".
Most of us actually understand the policies and stands
taken by the gentleman and are in no way uncertain
about how "centrist" he is.

Tesha
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:05 PM
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13. can you imagine when they start talking about his plastic surgery?
He canceled all his appearences the day of the Iowa caucus and had botox treatments. Do you think that isn't going to used to ridicule him?
Then they finish him off with "if the president was wrong, why did you vote for everything he wanted"?
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:11 PM
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19. Seriously?
Is that verifiable or rumor? Not surprising, but pathetic nonetheless
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:53 PM
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22. it's verifiable----look at the photos before iowa and the photos after IA
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:02 PM
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25. OMG...I just saw them
Egads! And that man is my Senator?! :puke:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:03 PM
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26. When you're older, 20 hour days show on your face.
A good night's sleep makes a HUGE difference.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:04 PM
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27. Sleep doesn't erase wrinkles!
I saw those photos! Give me a break!
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:08 PM
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16. people wonder why we have so many
problems in washington when they continue to vote because of image; deal making rather than conscience and straight talk. Sigh, it looks like another round of the same ol, same ol, is in the making. What a fickle electorate. It appears that America is just not ready for truth and integrity.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:24 PM
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29. Exactly...that is why I went Green...and only came back because
of Kucinich. But more of the same just won't cut it for me.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:50 PM
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20. No later than the morning of November 3rd.
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 01:52 PM by Tesha
Would'a, should'a, could'a...

Tesha
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TopesJunkie Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:01 PM
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24. Last week Monday --
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:14 PM
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28. the media will be more accomodating with Kerry
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 02:15 PM by CWebster
So long as he stays on cue and doesn't offer up any real challenges. Should he get out of line and not keep with the program as Gore did, or if he becomes to great a liability, they will dump him. Kerry will have no trouble satisfying the necessary role, he depends on others to lead the way. They molded Kerry's message:

"There are but a few weeks to go before the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. Time has grown short. In an effort to galvanize the message Kerry wants to deliver in the time remaining, he convened a powerful roster of journalists and columnists in the New York City apartment of Al Franken last Thursday. The gathering could not properly be called a meeting or a luncheon. It was a trial. The journalists served as prosecuting attorneys, jury and judge. The crowd I joined in Franken’s living room was comprised of:
Al Franken and his wife Franni;
Rick Hertzberg, senior editor for the New Yorker;
David Remnick, editor for the New Yorker;
Jim Kelly, managing editor for Time Magazine;
Howard Fineman, chief political correspondent for Newsweek;
Jeff Greenfield, senior correspondent and analyst for CNN;
Frank Rich, columnist for the New York Times;
Eric Alterman, author and columnist for MSNBC and the Nation;
Art Spiegelman, Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist/author of ‘Maus’;
Richard Cohen, columnist for the Washington Post;
Fred Kaplan, columnist for Slate;
Jacob Weisberg, editor of Slate and author;
Jonathan Alter, senior editor and columnist for Newsweek;
Philip Gourevitch, columnist for the New Yorker;
Calvin Trillin, freelance writer and author;
Edward Jay Epstein, investigative reporter and author;
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., who needs no introduction. "

http://truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml

The media fell down on election 2000, they fell down on Iraq, they destroyed Dean, They will move on without accountability and without demanding it when they should.
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