"Watergate-level" event about to happen....

[RONSTOO]

I know I can smell it in the air. The hammer is about to fall. And it feels good...real good.


Read this from Madsen report :


http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/



October 6, 2005 -- After it was reported that Karl Rove had agreed to give further testimony to the Grand Jury investigating the CIA leak, Rove's attorney Robert Luskin denied his client had received a target letter from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, a formal "heads up" sent to individuals who are about to be indicted. However, it is being reported from well-informed sources throughout Washington that 1) target letters have been sent to Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Ari Fleischer; 2) Rove has agreed to testify and possibly agree to a plea bargain agreement in return for his testimony against other targets of the criminal probe; 3) Cheney and Bush may be named as unindicted co-conspirators; 4) Bush's "war speech" before the National Endowment for Democracy and a late Thursday afternoon report that "19 operatives" have arrived in New York City to place bombs on subway trains are blatant attempts by the White House to divert attention from the impending indictments against the Bush White House. The main stream media is just beginning to take notice that a "Watergate-level event" is about to occur in Washington

[annagull]

If Fitzgerald really does hand down inditments

This would be BIGGER than watergate in my opinion.

[MichiganVote]

1. I've got my fingers crossed

[Savannah Progressive]

2. It hinges on the Right Wing Media?

If that is the case, then we can expect no Watergate level event. We can expect only a minor situation, perhaps Rove is fired, will it matter?

Will Rove be any less effective if his paycheck is from the GOP instead of the USG? Will the Rove Spin Machine be rendered inoperative if he moves his operation from the White House? Does anyone think that Rove won't be calling the shots even if we manage to remove him from the White House? So Rove spends the day on the phone calling orders in instead of sitting in the house and shouting them out the door to his office.

If Libby is fired, again will it affect the Right Wing's objectives? They are a few short weeks from getting another Right Wing Radical onto the Supreme Court. Does anyone think that Bush would nominate even a slightly moderate individual? I am not comforted by the Republican "discomfort" over Myers. Does anyone doubt that they will fall into lockstep on orders? We know them, we know what kind of robots they are, and we know what kind of power the Corporations have.

While we stand back, and do nothing about Myers, waiting for the "rift" in the Republican ranks to do our work for us, and torpedo her nomination, they move forward. When they re-form and become the unified Brown shirt ranks of the Fascist Army, we are left to scramble and find something to stop the radical Myers from being confirmed, too little, too late. We will bemoan this time for twenty or more years, relegated to enduring Radical Religious nut versions of the Constitution.

This isn't a good time, we have seen the Repugs squirm and slither out of how many scandals. We watched Reagan dump Iran-Contra onto a dying man. We watched Ollie North tell the Senate to shove it, and mind their own business, and we watched the Congress back down like cowards from Ollie.

[HereSince1628]

3. Can we have a credibility rating on Madsen from somone?

My recollection is that someone with a name similar to this is not considered particularly credible.

[aquart]

4. He's zooming around with the flying pigs.

Of course, we said that about Capitol Hill Blue, too.

[HereSince1628]

5. Okay, thanks

[Radio_Lady]

26. His various election posts were convoluted, reactionary, and ultimately

untrue.

Zero rating on credibility -- right up to the end.

[leanin_green]

38. Sounds like some good acid, man.

Haven't seen flying pigs since the Pink Floyd Animals concert, dude.

[lanlady]

7. none too credible

and this article just rehashes rumors and published stories.

[Pepperbelly]

8. "considered" doesn't really mean much to me ...

If what someone is saying is dangerous enough, smearing them is a given.

[HereSince1628]

11. That's true I suppose. Especially if

credibility is considered an attribute to be destroyed by an opposition. I was thinking more along the lines of how dependable his insights were.

[Pepperbelly]

12. in this through-the-looking-glass world ...

it is difficult to say much with certainty. I have only visited his website once and to me it seemed a bit ... hyperbolic. The sad, sad truth is that in fact, it may not be at all. I certainly don't know.

Did you see the thread in GD regarding the FBI shutting down a text website because of "obscenity"?

Amazing.

[HereSince1628]

16. Yes, it is hard to know, this administration has taken us into many

places no thought the country would ever go.

I did see the report of skirmishing in the war on Porn. I believe this is a return to one of Ashcroft's efforts to feed the fundies. When Bush's polls are down he needs to pump up his wacko base.

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. He's far more credible than FAUX News.

But then, who isn't?

[high density]

34. Both Fox News and Wayne Madsen have no credibility

IMHO.

[peony]

20. Lawrence O'Donnell who has a good track record on Plame says

three high level indictments with at least one unindicted co-conspirator

[AntiFascist]

25. Madsen may tend to follow some obscure and very extreme tracks...

but it's where his research overlaps with these guys that has me most disturbed about the administration:

www.madcowprod.com

I seem to recall that these were some of the first people pointing at Jack Abramoff.

He's located in DC and many of his contacts are former and current intelligence.

[RONSTOO]

6. from an expert

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1007nj3.htm






Stephen Gillers, a New York University law professor, says that Rove's being called before the grand jury a fourth time and so late in the inquiry is a strong indication that Fitzgerald is "attempting to tighten up the noose" and is contemplating criminal charges against Rove. Gillers said that if Fitzgerald is "pursuing a potential case for false statements, perjury, or obstruction, every time Rove speaks at this point, he is taking a risk. For better or worse, he is locked into his previous statements and testimony."

[aquart]

9. It IS a Watergate-level event.

We already know that. What we don't know, and neither do the guessers and gossips, is what Fitzgerald and his jury will actually do.

We also don't know what will happen once they do it. Nixon didn't have control of all branches of government plus the media. BushCo does. BUT BushCo is showing internal cracks.

It isn't impossible that GOP leadership will take indictments as an excuse the seize the moral high ground and let Bush go bye bye.

Republicans are corrupt. Republicans are undemocratic. Republicans are fiscally insane. Republicans kill dogs.

[HereSince1628]

13. Which part of Watergate? The Plumbers? CREEP?

The Saturday Night Massacre? The missing minutes on the tape? Nixon's direct involvement in the Cover-up?

Watergate had all sorts of levels of mischief and crime.

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. EVERYTHING Bush does is criminal

Since the whole Hitler funding escapade which began in 1924, it's been one long crime spree from the Bush Criminal Empire. Including Watergate.

[Cha]

28. Enough to bring

down a president(sic)and his cronies if this were 1974.

[smoogatz]

10. Well, it seems obvious to me

that Bush's NED speech and the fake terror threats in NYC and the Washington monument are all part of an effort to divert public attention away from Bush's obvious failures and to re-kindle support for the Iraq debacle. If Bush is named an unindicted co-conspirator, it will be up to the Republican controlled congress to do something about it--which they won't. Bush also has great latitude to pardon whomever he wants, whenever he wants--including, apparently, himself.

[HereSince1628]

17. Bush couldn't pardon himself

He can't be tried while in office. You can't pardon a person before the conviction.

He could try to stop the prosecutor and that would give us a repeat of the issues of the Saturday Night Massacre, which frankly pushed Nixon beyond ANY hope of partisan support.

[smoogatz]

19. I believe you're incorrect.

He could pardon himself prior to indictment, before he leaves office, or if he's impeached. There was much discussion to this effect when Clinton was impeached. There's also no law, apparently, that says he can't be indicted while in office--it's just never been done, so there's no precedent and no law that says he can. That's my understanding, anyway.

[are_we_united_yet]

18. You

were dead on with the Subway scare! You have clout.

[nickshepDEM]

21. Not if a 'Terra Alert' has anything to say about it...

[lateo]

22. We don't live in the Watergate era.

The media back then was less infotainment oriented and would actually bite on a story like this.

[Olney Blue]

23. This is so much worse than Watergate.

The revenge on Wilson by outing Plame was part of the criminal activity that led to an illegal war.

Nixon lied, nobody died.

Jeez, Nixon is starting to look like a boy scout compared to this administration....

[Savannah Progressive]

24. If it does come apart like Watergate does that mean

We have to endure Rove with his own radio Talkshow like G. Gordon Liddy?

[Disturbed]

27. "The revenge on Wilson by outing Plame"

That is maybe #3 on the list as to why this occured. #1 was to shut down the covert Op regarding WMDs that Mrs Wilson was running. #2 to discredit Joe Wilson's report about no yellow cake order from Saddam.

Go read this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2145445

[johnnyrocket]

29. It's a 'Watergate' moment, except for one big thing!!

This time the press in is bed with the Administration. This time the press is culpable, and KNOW ALL THE FACTS. No more investigative reporting these days...Bush and friends are going down purely by their on criminal hubris, when it finally catches up to them.

[Neshanic]

30. Nothing is going to happen. Really. All bases are covered...

and there will be a bit of a dust up. That's it.

Sorry.

[Independent_Liberal]

32. Don't be so negative.

It is a shame that so many people around here have that attitude. They just don't want to believe that anything good can happen.

[Savannah Progressive]

33. A Negative Attitude?

I believe many good things can happen, however none of them ever seem to from Washington these days. Having gotten my hopes up time and time again, each time getting the hope that we would see the end of the Bush Criminal Reign. Each time, we watch a fawning press gloss over the situation, or carry the water for some hate group like Swift Boat Vets for the Big Lie. How many times are we going to put the Champaign on ice, only to watch the Repugniks spin their way out of it before we accept that we can't beat them with only truth. Sure Air America is helping us, and our numbers here are growing, but is it going to be enough to actually get enough votes to overcome the Fascist ballot box stuffing and cheating? If this was anywhere else in the world, any other nation, the UN would be putting sanctions on us until we had a fair and honest election. However we have the Bush Regime in power, so that is just fine.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the Supreme Court declared Bush President for life. Nothing these crooks does is more than I expect from them any longer.

[Independent_Liberal]

31. Kick!

[kentuck]

35. Could be....

There's a whiff of it ....

[texpatriot2004]

36. Oh no, it's WORSE THAN WATERGATE. n/t

[C_U_L8R]

37. The Doughboy is Going Down

and I hope he takes down
the rest of the KKKabal with him