Carville says no one in DC likes anyone who is right too often.

[madfloridian]

I really have no comment to make....dumb and not right is best. :think: I think he is saying something here, but I don't like what I think he is saying. :think:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_elizabet_051007_carville__dems_need_.htm

At a speech sponsored by the Northwestern College Democrats Thursday evening, Carville told the audience that Democratic candidates can’t succeed by shouting out to every group in a crowd. Instead candidates should tell stories with the three elements of any good story — setup, conflict and resolution

It’s actually possible to be wise, right and strong,” he said.

But Carville added that no one in Washington likes anyone who is right too often. Howard Dean’s accurate assessment about the failure of the war in Iraq helped kick him out of the running for president despite his passion, Carville said.

In the same way that intelligence and accuracy can’t stand alone, strength without accuracy is a catastrophe, he said. His example: the Republican administration.

“If we just had mediocracy I’d be the happiest person in the world,” Carville said. “You put political hacks in an important position and there are consequences.”

Yay for mediocracy. :think:

[Cha]

1. No wonder he doesn't like

Dean!

[madfloridian]

2. I am flabbergasted. I know part is tongue in cheek, but geez.

:think:

[Guaranteed]

10. Yup, it's jealousy. He showed them up.

I get this shit from my family, too, in particular my girlfriend's family.

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. The Democrat's problem is that they're lousy at marketing.

There's something called, "create the need," that they can use to explain to the American people WHY they would want an intelligent, articulate, educated, well-traveled American to represent this country.

[NorCalDem]

12. I guess that counts Kerry out, right? n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. Kerry or Gore would have made better presidents than Bush.

In their case, however, if it's proven that their elections were stolen, it changes everything.

[blm]

31. Exactly. Instead, the media created this myth that people NEEDED someone

who talks like a regular guy you'd find at a Nascar race.

There are many fundamentalists who loathe well-rounded education.

My mother thought education was evil and, as a child, I would be beaten when I was caught reading books.

Another DU er posted once that he was beaten for reading by a father who didn't think it was masculine.

Would CNN's Faith and Values reporter do a story on that aspect of faith and values?

[Gman]

4. People will pick someone that is strong and wrong

over someone right and weak, according to the Big Dog, and he's 100% correct. So is Carville.

[madfloridian]

7. And what a pathetic thing that is. But who defines the weak or strong?

Trouble with that statement is just that. I think those who don't stand up for what they believe are weak. So it gets very confusing.

Much better to take stands and not to be so political.

[Gman]

26. The average voter decides

and vote as they feel.

[madfloridian]

27. Many did not get a chance to choose last year....or other years.

But too much to go into this late. Maybe they will mend the primary system.

Actually voters often have very little say, the DC insiders have too much control.

[Pithy Cherub]

5. Has Carville gone round the bend? Turned the corner?

Wow, being right and using that to inform actions would be the subject of envy and backbiting inside the Dem's version of the beltway. He is actually saying he wants the public to be dumb and follow dumb people. His best days are long past him!

This is the problem he now backs the most mediocre candidates and admits being a hack is perilous to democracy.
“If we just had mediocracy I’d be the happiest person in the world,” Carville said. “You put political hacks in an important position and there are consequences.”

Whoever Carville supports in the future, I want NO parts of because they will be mediocre, rarely correct and led around by hacks! :crazy:

[MichiganVote]

6. The Carville Guide to Realism is usually cynicism laced w/corruption

Both he and his wife are in need of a good old fashioned mental cleaning out. They are politically polluted and spend more time pouting and spouting than just about anyone in TV land.

[Burried News]

8. Good ole boys and good ole girls - just plain good folks being naice

and fucking up evrythang.

[movonne]

9. Maybe his wife on the Fitz's list...and he is cranky..

[bluedawg12]

11. He likes the sound of his own words

this thing sounds like someone just blowing farts out their mouth- it almost makes sense, then at last, it doesn't.

Intelligence and accuracy can't stand alone??? Is that from a fortune cookie?

[maryallen]

13. Biggest bunch of crap I've ever read ...

I don't trust Carville.

[IntravenousDemilo]

47. But just remember...

he's a lot better than Novak. They both give me the creeps, though.

[mcscajun]

14. That's not limited to DC -- most places, people can't stand the person

who's right all the time, or knows too much.

There's a deep strain of anti-intellectualism in this country.

As for the rest of what Carville said, no comment.

[Totally Committed]

15. Carville's a jerk, and he goes home at night

and sleeps with the enemy. He disgusts me. And, so does Begala most of the time.

All of these K Street whores need to be sent packing! They have no place in this Party any longer.

[Phoebe_in_Sydney]

39. I agree TC

Both Carville and Begala sold their "Clinton credentials" to make bucks after the ride in the White House had come to an end.

Political operatives like these guys are hangers on who use other people's names to build a career. not saying they aren't both clever and talented, but that doesn't mean they're honourable, or that the really care about what people want from a government. They've been on the inside too long and have lost any contact with the real world.

[madfloridian]

16. “No Kumbayah crap,” Carville said.

The rest of that statement is so boring...so boring.

"Instead candidates should tell stories with the three elements of any good story — setup, conflict and resolution."

It sounds to me like the criticism of Kerry did not go over with them very well. I hope it did not not. Where does he come off making fun of our candidates like that?

"At NU Carville focused on what Democrats need to do to reclaim the presidency. The vocal impressions of President George W. Bush and former presidential candidate John Kerry and Carville’s bouts of shouting in his southern accent had the audience alternatively giggling and freezing in silence."

[OzarkDem]

24. He's been neutered

its a shame, he used to be an excellent political strategist until he decided to get rich instead.

[ulysses]

17. all hail the wrong-headed!

:dunce:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

18. Carville's wife was part of the WHIG!

I'm really sorry, but I cannot bend my head around that. I cannot imagine myself living with a person who was part of the WHIG, even if we loved each other and had very different political philosophies.

I know it's supposed to be charming and all, just like a real life sit-com or 30's screwball comedy, but the charm is wearing off for me. James Carville, Clinton insider and Bush in-law, is almost the living personification of the idea that it's all a charade played out for the benefit of rubes like you and me.

Would John Edwards be married to Ivana Trump?
Would Jonathan Alterman be married to Ann Coulter?

Something is not as it seems and I would say that something is James Carville. He should just move on over to the other side and stop pretending.

[madfloridian]

19. Had not heard that, looked it up, scary stuff. Bothers me a lot.

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays-w/horrors.htm

Creepy.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

20. great link and info - thanks! nt.

[bluedawg12]

25. wow, frightening if true. n/t

[OnionPatch]

36. I had these thoughts too

Something stinketh in the Carville household. Mary Matelin was questioned for the Plamegate thing, for crying out loud! It's impossible for me to believe that Carville is sincere. Maybe it's all a game to someone like him who can jet out of the country when the jackboot of fascism hits the ground with his wife's help.

[madfloridian]

22. Q & A from the event....Good grief, Carville, what an interview.

http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/07/434639e8a28b6

"The Daily Northwestern:You mentioned (Hilary) Clinton. Do you think that America is ready for a woman president?

Carville: If the United States thought an orangatane (correct spelling is orangutan...guess they don't teach that at Northwestern) could solve their problems, they’d vote for it.

The Daily: Has the media been throwing too many softball questions and is that effecting people’s views of political parties?

Carville: You could make a pretty legitimate criticism that the media does lack a great bit of skepticism, particularly about the war. But there’s a little bit on both sides to complain about the media.It just a matter of you’ve got to try and affect the coverage best you can."

Short interview, worse than the speech.

[AlGore-08.com]

28. That's the problem with marketing professionals

To do their jobs, they have to really believe that they and they alone are responsible for victory - - and that they are so talented, they could get a ham sandwich elected.

IMNSHO Carville has been overrated since he came on the national stage.

[OzarkDem]

23. Who cares what anyone in Washington thinks?

There are few people there whose opinions are worth anything.

[susu369]

29. Delete

dumb post (my post, that is)

[mandyky]

30. This is right up there , for Carville,

when he said he thought the head of the DNC shouldn't be a public matter. He condoned chairs to be picked "in small cigar smoke filled rooms"!

I think Mary is getting to him!

[Neil Lisst]

32. If Kerry had hired Carville in June, he'd be president today

Kerry blew a big lead, and his campaign management was horrible. They got lucky in Iowa, they steamrolled the Vietnam hero vibe for a few months, and they got lucky winning by default among a weak field.

His crew was terrible, and the campaign never had control of THK.

When Kerry gave that bad acceptance speech that went on forever, as sweat poured off his puffy face, I knew we were going to have a tough time selling this stiff. His sailboarding at 4 mph sealed the deal.

You wanna know why he lost. Go to my comic, hit PREVIOUS, and take a look at the reasons I list. They're on target. Disagreements invited.

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http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst

[madfloridian]

33. I disagree. Carville and his like have become the problems.

I think you are being very insulting to Kerry. I wish he had been more agressive, but Carville did not need to be called in. Carville is one of our problems.

I think that instead of telling people not to be so right, he should be applauding those who were.

[Neil Lisst]

34. Kerry's campaign was an unmitigated disaster

Carville knows how to win, and Kerry's crew didn't. They were terrible.

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http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst

[madfloridian]

35. I respect Kerry though he lost. I detest Carville and his snarkiness.

His attitude hurts our party a lot. He is not good for it.

[karynnj]

40. What garbage

Carville is an egomaniac who hurt rather than helped. I think Kerry would have been better off having his brother and other long time Kerry people running things. Carville would have been worse than Mary beth. On top of it, I don't think Carville understood Kerry or Kerry's sense of principle and morality.

In 1992, Carville ran a campaign running against a President with ratings that were in the 30s, Kerry was running against a President with ratings in the high 40s - low 50s. Carville also had a strong 3rd party candidate who was attacking Bush not Clinton. The situation was not the same. Given their final numbers, I don't know that Clinton (1992) could have won against a significantly stronger candidate or without Perrot.

When Kerry did talk about the economy (which was what Carville wanted), his numbers went down. They went up when Kerry felt free to talk about Iraq, the war on terror and foreign policy.

Kerry's speech was great and I totally don't understand the puffy face comment. As to THK, the RW demonized her more than they did Kerry. She is a remarkable, intelligent woman in her own right. The work she has done with her foundation has been good. From friends and relatives who actually saw her, she was amazing.

[wiley]

37. Now, what's the problem?

He's saying that even mediocrity would be better than the political hacks who are destroying this country - and other countries as well. He's also right about Dean. When even some Dems (not Clark, Dean or Kucinich, however) were scrambling to get out of the way of the truth that the whole Iraq thing was very quickly going to get out of control and turn into a huge tragedy, the majority of the American people supported Bush. The fact that the American people can see even a little of what is going on in Iraq yet they have not called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney and the firing of Rumsfeld, etc., has to tell you something. Let's not forget the viciousness of the media towards Dean and Clark. They had your average person believing that they would install a politburo to replace the House.

[madfloridian]

38. If Carville is right about truthtellers, then our country is doomed...

and if he is right, we deserve to be.

I do not think he is right, I think his arrogance is taking its toll on his clear-thinking.

He forgets to mention that he was one of the main guys who went on Crossfire and all over TV blasting Howard Dean's campaign.

Now he says he told the truth too often That is just a big pile of BS.

[AX10]

41. Carville is a DLC/Blue Dog bum.

.

[shance]

42. Carville sold out a while back. Ive never seen much conviction

from him. Ive seen more in Begala than I ever saw in Carville. Now I don't even see it in Begala. Apparently the mediocrity and passivity classes for Democrats are going very well in D.C.

I say that and Im not blaming the Dems as much as Im blaming the corrupt system that works so hard to castrate and punish our good leaders into fearful resignation.

Ive seen anger at times, but I havent ever felt like I ever knew where Carville legitimately stood. He'd often back down too soon as well. He seems like a nice guy, but I wouldnt want him watching my back.

So what he says now I guess confirms where he stands:

whichever way the wind is blowing. I hope he finds his passion again. We need it.

[Mass]

43. Carville has lost all the respect I still had for him after the Republican

Convention, when he defended Zell Miller for his speech.

I think he is somebody who thinks he knows everything because he got Clinton elected with 42 % of the vote 15 years ago.

I agree with you that he is part of the problem and not the solution.

[Totally Committed]

44. He had to defend Zell Miller...

He and Paul Begala ran Miller's campaign. They are great friends. You can tell a lot about a man from the friends he chooses to keep.

[madfloridian]

45. The more I think about Carville and Kumbayah

The more it irritates me. That was such a silly thing to say. He annoys me a lot.

Here is one of the supposed assumed meanings for it.

Popular Usage

The song has come to be associated with unity and closeness. Many times, in news and sports, when there are two people who disagree but need to work together, it is used. For example, "Although Donovan McNabb and Terrell Owens will play together in 2005, don't expect them to be singing Kumbaya."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbayah

[sadiesworld]

46. Gee, and I was getting excited about a potential Gore run in '08

b/c he's been right about so much, e.g., global warming, the SS lockbox, airplane security, etc. Of course, this is a bad thing--silly me.

I guess we just need to nominate a complete boob (paging Evan Bayh).

[dorktv]

48. He was right about people not liking someone who is right all the

time but got the reason the media turned on Dean.

[Elwood P Dowd]

49. Carville and Begala are whores

out to make a reputation and big bucks. In fact, the city of Washington itself has turned into a city of whores. From the political hacks to the media pundits to the lobbyists to the politicians, the whole damn stinking place is a proverbial whorehouse.

Remember when they all jumped in bed together to pass NAFTA. That was one gigantic money orgy, and Carville, Begala, Clinton, Gore, and the repukes were all partaking. That should have opened up all of our eyes - it opened up mine. Sadly, most didn't recognize what was happening. After that the flood gates opened, and now look at the fucking mess.