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kerryistheanswer Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 08:59 AM
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Kerry is only third candidate in history to win both IA and NH
No repub has ever won both states - only Carter and Gore won both states.

People keep saying that JK can't win nationally but he's already won two contests in very different states. Even if he loses in SC, I think he'll win big in Michigan, Arizona, and Missouri. His message has national appeal - its about removing special interests and making America fair for all.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:01 AM
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1. I agree.....He is doing really well....
Enough of a cross section of people like him and especially when sized up against shrubby. The gripers on here can ignore that and still claim that he has no appeal but I'm sorry both of these victories,(which as history proves is not an easy feat to pull off) were solid and not even particularly close.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:01 AM
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2. What about Muskie in 1972?
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 09:01 AM by La_Serpiente
Didn't he win both Iowa and New Hampshire? Correct me if I am wrong, I am not sure.
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kerryistheanswer Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:04 AM
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4. hmmm...don't think he won iowa
also, iowa wasn't really considered important till 1976 when it helped jimmy carter.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:07 AM
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8. thanks
ok, thanks
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:15 AM
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12. Muskie won them both...
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:45 AM
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14. Muskie top IA candidate in 1972, according to Des Moines Register
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:02 AM
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3. I think NH was a fluke determined by many factors that do not
generalize at all to other states (mainly that the southern parts of NH are essentially a satellite of MA :D ). I'm not even considering the Iowa caucus mess.
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kerryistheanswer Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:05 AM
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5. call it what you want - it's significant
and you would think so too if your candidate won. let's be honest....not to mention that dean is from a neighboring state and was up by 30 points last month.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:07 AM
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7. So, people live in Vermont and commute to NH to work ?
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kerryistheanswer Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:12 AM
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10. that's not the point - people in NH know Dean
You can complain and argue all you want but this win is signicant as was the Iowa blowout. You can try to trivialize the victory and blame the media, but Kerry won fair and square.

The real story in this race is Kerry's come from behind. The media counted him out - called him a dead man walking. Every interview was about Dean this, Dean that. The voters spoke and now the media has finally shut up. This election will confirm that Americans are smarter than the media would like to believe.

PEace.
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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:52 AM
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15. You're right.
The voters of Iowa and New Hampshire rejected the media's choice.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:09 AM
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9. what does "significant" mean in this context ?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:20 AM
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13. I admire your support of your candidate....
But NH was always, ALWAYS billed as the big showdown between Kerry and Dean, and Dean got whupped. It's that simple.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:06 AM
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6. It's not like Dean is from Montana....
Vermont is not all that far from NH if I'm not mistaken.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:14 AM
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11. True. Most of NH lives in the south, near Boston.
And huge numbers of them work in MA. Dems in NH have been following the lead of our state for many years.

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