Did Libby and Rove commit perjury? Do you think they lied

[texpatriot2004]

under oath about what they knew and when they knew it? Were their motives dishonorable? Does anyone else know?

[The Doctor.]

1. If I was a bettin' man...

I'd have certain vital organs ridin' on that.
(not my own o' course... I'm a Republican after all..."

[jamesinca]

2. I don't know

The upcoming week will be interesting, especially if indictments are handed out as suspected by those close to the case have stated. I would like to see DeLay some how caught up in this one, in addition to his TRMPAC and ARMPAC problems.

[Tiggeroshii]

3. I HOPE I hope I hope

I HOPE!!!

If there is a God, it will happen. THere was a NYTimes article talking about how so many deals were done with the people who testified keeping the amount of questions limited, so I wonder how affective this whole investigation is... Hopeful they just asked the right questions.

[texpatriot2004]

4. what are they hiding? What Are They Hiding?

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?

[thefloyd]

5. I am betting on Cheney/Scooter

Rove will not be touched. In my opinion, Bush's flip flop on how he would handle staff involvements pretty much knocked rove off my list

Cheney is an excellent scapegoat. Older, bad health, no aspirations to run for president. He is just looking to retire so why not blame Cheney. I think Tenet will be smeared as well.

[MADem]

13. Brand new house in St Michaels, MD, right up the road from Rummy

Lynne was seen at Pottery Barn buying stuff for it recently.

[longship]

6. My money's on the following for Rove

I see this as something very big and the indictments may be far in scope.

I'm betting one or more counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and one or more conspiracy charges (consp. to suborn, consp. to obstruct, consp. to violate intelligence laws).

If Rove goes down for conspiracy, Libby will be their with him.
Cheney may get obstruction of justice and conspiracy charges.

Who violated the federal intelligence laws?
Condi? Bolton? Somebody else?

Which WHIG members are also implicated?
Hadley? Hughes? Matalin? Ari? Little Scotty?

Who turned and talked?
Ari? Matalin?

[texpatriot2004]

7. Matalin? As in the wife of Carville? n/t

[longship]

8. Yes, Mary Matalin may be deeply involved in this.

She was/is a WHIG (White House Iraq Group) group. That is the group whose mission was to sell the war with Iraq to the public. I believe she was also on Air Force One for the Africa trip on which the Rove/Plame affair was hatched.

Some have suggested her as a possible cooperator. (all speculation)

[JDPriestly]

10. Do you remember when Novak walked out on the interview on

TV at which Carville was present?

[longship]

11. Yup?

But what was it that Carville said to him....

This may be something we need to look at. Let me look this up.
I'm curious whether there is something to glean from Carville's
comments.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. He taunted Novak and said, got to be tough for the conservatives.

That's paraphrasing, but a better quote lies below.

The more I think about it, the more I think Carville gave Novak an out. Novak was going to be asked about the Plame outing that night. It would have been the next segment on the show.

I wonder too how much Carville's wife is involved in this mess. I feel bad for him because I know that way back when they tried to recruit Carville for lobbying purposes, and Carville did the upright thing and walked away saying that it's not what he does. Then he marries right into that mess. Maybe he said, "Got to be tough for the conservatives," was meant on a more personal level, meaning that even his wife was required to act tough for the conservatives and may have done some rash things because of it? Things that now they both regret?

[emulatorloo]

21. mocked novak by saying he needed to appear tough for WSJ Opinion page

WSJ Opinion Page = home to much wingnuttery

[MADem]

14. Are you thinking his ire was directed at JC's wife???

Hmmmmm!

[longship]

16. No, I was wondering.

Was there something in what Carville said that might have come from a cooperating Matalin? It doesn't look like it. But maybe Carville's words meant something a bit more serious to Novakula. I key on "The Wall Street Journal's editorial page is watching you." That is the only thing that I can see that might make Novakula go off on James like that.

It doesn't look significant to me. But the Matlin/Carville connection might have something to do with it. If one of Novakula's sources is Matalin, Carville may be echoing something Matalin has said to Novakula. That would dig pretty deep and may worry Novakula significantly.

[longship]

15. Here's what Carville said:

You've gotta show these right-wingers some kind of backbone, you know. The Wall Street Journal editorial page is watching you. Show them you're tough.

That's what triggered Novakula to say, "That's bullshit." and then walk off.

[texpatriot2004]

18. I remember that and I remember hearing that Novakula (I love

that) was going to be asked about the Plamegate thing then too.

[JDPriestly]

9. Was Matalin interviewed?

[longship]

12. Yes, Matalin was interviewed.

nt

[sepia_steel]

19. I would bet that

they didn't decide to got he honest route all-of-a-sudden, that's for sure...

[proud patriot]

20. Their Arrogance knows no bounds

I think they both lied under oath.

[texpatriot2004]

23. Their arrogance is astounding. n/t

[npincus]

22. please please please

[japple]

24. Convict is better! n/t

[npincus]

25. baby steps

[DearAbby]

26. Oh this is getting good...

:popcorn: I have waited for this, Warm up the band, clear the room...may be time soon for another round of "DearAbby Okie Dokie Dance"