CNO directed US naval ships to gulf coast - ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE

[paineinthearse]

Did I hear Rep. Kirk (Rethug, Illinois 10) - http://www.house.gov/kirk/ - just a few minutes ago, on the House floor, during the gulf coast supplemental funding authorization debate, say words to the effect "...I want to commend the CNO (chief of naval operations) for sending, on his own initiative, US naval ships to the affected area...".

Not General Peter Pace, Chair of the Joint Chiefs
Not Rummy
Not *

A man about 5th or 6th down the chain of command!

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Perhaps a member of Rep. Kirk's district can call a district office and get confirmation. For anyone who has interest, this will be in Thomas Tuesday (I'm heading out).

[earth mom]

1. WHOA!

:kick:

[displacedtexan]

2. Isn't that illegal?

Chain of command and all that jazz?

[ender]

3. better to ask forgiveness

than permission.

sometimes, when there is inaction, and the course of action is painfully obvious, you make it happen. fuck the chain of command.

i'm sure that he won't be court-martialed for this.

[paineinthearse]

6. I believe this is within his command authority

If a ship is in an operational area (oparea), it us totally within the rights of the CNO to direct it anywhere he deems necessary. Kind of like an air traffic controller can direct a commercial plain, within established limits.

I'm sure CNO informed his bosses after taking action.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Technically .......

nope .... I don't think it is in the least illegal.

[MADem]

20. No, not if you play it right

You send them off on an exercise, and halfway there, once you get the blessings from the assholes at the Pentagon, you change their orders. I know the new CNO, and he is a good guy--tough fucker, very, very savvy, knows how to wend his way through political minefields, and extremely pragmatic. Better than the last one, for sure.

[Eloriel]

4. I just posted this post and link to this thread

National Guard not allowing aid into the city (Mistrel Boy)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4578745&mesg_id=4578745
Link: http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php

[bananas]

12. ATTN DU RESEARCHERS -- LIHOP/MIHOP evidence stacking up

Eloriel, I see you included it here:

ATTN DU RESEARCHERS -- LIHOP/MIHOP evidence stacking up
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4588088&mesg_id=4588088

[Liberty Belle]

18. What do LIHOP and MIHOP stand for?

[LifeDuringWartime]

19. let It Happen On Purpose | Made It Happen On Purpose n/t

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

5. A Heroic act worthy of commendation

if he did this.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. for being rational and doing his job?

talk about lowering standards.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Actually the way the DoD works,

he will be begging forgiveness later on, and if this works, he will be getting a medal... you have no idea how many procedures were broken

[MADem]

21. He'll be OK

I'll bet there is leftover cash that needs spending by SEP 30 (end of FY). Sure, some commands won't get those new safety shoes or office furniture, but it's all to the good.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

30. For doing his job and that of his rank superiors, and

having the courage to act when it was necessary.

[paineinthearse]

7. Was anyone recording CSPAN?

Members of the House have 5 days to amend and revise their statements, I want to be sure the speech is captured in its original format before Rove and crew have a chance to flush this down the memory hole.

[xxqqqzme]

8. uh oh, somebody's about 2 retire!

or about 2 B retired!

[MADem]

22. No, he just got the job

See my notes, above--he will be fine.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. ok folks things are now truly out of control

and in thisi case, in a good way

[bribri16]

13. He'll be dishonerably discharged for making Bush look bad. n/t

[bananas]

15. Nominate!

One more vote to get it on the greatest page

[paineinthearse]

16. Need help with verification

I'm going away for a few days.

Later today, or certainly by Tuesday, Kirk's words will be in Thomas.

Go to http://thomas.loc.gov/home/r109query.html, filter on today's day and member's name.

See what the transcript reads.

thanks

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http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.html

Now that I review the Clerk's records, I cannot recall if this was during debate of 3645 or during special order speeches, but Thomas will reveal.

3:57 P.M. -
The House adjourned pursuant to S. Con. Res. 51. The next meeting is scheduled for 2:00 p.m. on September 6, 2005.
On motion to adjourn Agreed to by voice vote.

Mr. Strickland moved that the House do now adjourn.


3:56 P.M. -
The Speaker designated the Honorable Mac Thornberry to act as Speaker pro tempore to sign enrolled bills and joint resolutions through September 6, 2005

3:43 P.M. -
SPECIAL ORDER SPEECHES - The House resumed Special Order speeches.

3:42 P.M. -
The House received a message from the Senate. The Senate passed H.R. 3645.

1:58 P.M. -
SPECIAL ORDER SPEECHES - The House has concluded all anticipated legislative business and has proceeded to Special Order speeches.

1:51 P.M. -
ONE MINUTE SPEECHES - The House proceeded with one minute speeches.

S. Con. Res. 51:
providing for a conditional adjournment or recess of the Senate, and a conditional adjournment or recess of the House of Representatives

1:50 P.M. -
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to without objection.


1:49 P.M. -
Considered as privileged matter.

H.R. 3645:
making emergency supplemental appropriations to meet immediate needs arising from the consequences of Hurricane Katrina, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes

Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On passage Passed by voice vote.

The previous question was ordered pursuant to a previous order of the House.


1:43 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House resumed debate on H.R. 3645.
The House received a message from the Senate. The Senate agreed to S. Con. Res. 51.


H.R. 3645:
making emergency supplemental appropriations to meet immediate needs arising from the consequences of Hurricane Katrina, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes

1:22 P.M. -
DEBATE - Pursuant to the previous order of the House, the House proceeded with 10 minutes of debate on H.R. 3645.

[blondeatlast]

27. Nothing yet; I'm kind of a Thomas wonk so I'll do my best.

God, I am SO hoping this is true.

[Ready4Change]

17. Prediction: He will be "scandaled" within 6 months.

[MADem]

23. No, Chimp picked him

CNO probably moved those vessels when they told him they were taking Bataan away from NOLA and taking care of Biloxi.

Chimp cannot fire him without looking like he has bad judgment, and it is a set term.

[autorank]

24. Damn good initiative. This deserves an answer...right away.

We don't believe much from the Republicans in general so who knows. However if Rep. Kirk's Freudian Slips are showing, then we need to know pronto.

Great post and looking forward to the answer.

[DELUSIONAL]

25. This wouldn't surprise me

Apparently he is old school Navy.

I've been asking WHERE IS THE NAVY?

Thank you so much for posting this.

My dad was career Navy -- and I grew up expecting the Navy to be out there helping in the aftermath of disasters. I don't know how many times my dad went out to rescue & aid in disasters -- flooding etc.

What we have witnessed is a complete lack of leadership at the top.

[blondeatlast]

26. KUDOS, SIR! Why wait for that lame-duck fuxckwit?

This is how it's done, Michael Brown...

[paineinthearse]

28. Photo: Adm. Mike Mullen

Navy Secretary Gordon England, right, administers the Oath of Office to Adm. Mike Mullen during the chief of naval operations change of command ceremony at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., July 22, 2005. Mullen relieved Adm. Vern Clark, second from left, who held the position since July 21, 2000, the longest tenure of anyone holding that office since Adm. Arleigh Burke resigned in 1961. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, far left, attended the ceremony. U.S. Navy photo by Chief Petty Officer Johnny Bivera

[Up2Late]

29. I'd love to hear an honest, "off the record" comment from him on why

he did that.

My guess would be something like, "I couldn't wait any longer for the higher ups to get their heads out of their asses!"

[Pepperbelly]

31. Good for the CNO.

SOMEBODY sure as shit needed to step up to the plate. Go Navy!

[BrightKnight]

32. Who ordered the military helicopters not to drop sandbags?

The Mayor said that the military helicopters had been ordered not to drop sandbags. This occurred soon after the breech had been discovered and before the city had flooded. Who gave the order and why?

This was not the will of the civilian authorities in Louisiana.

[Mabus]

33. Bumblin' Brown?

We may not find out for a while.