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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:12 AM
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How do you counteract the ole it's not the presiden'ts fault
arguement?


I got this alot during election time. How is it Bush's fault jobs are down? What does he have to do with it. If you don't like things that are going on it's not Bush's fault, there is Congress etc.

The sound offs in my paper have been wonderful lately.. lots of anti bush stuff almost everyday. Today of course there was one caller talking about liberals making up stuff..lol. But then there was this one. I'm getting ready to write into the paper and want to have a good arguement for some of the points made lately. Here is the sound off


"To those who insist on bashing Bush: I have one suggestion. We have in our town a building called a library. Why don't you go and do your own research and learn just what kind of power the president has? The way you talk, there is no Congress, there are no senators, and he makes all of the decisions on his own. That is not true. You need to read. You need to research. You need to find out how our government works. You need to be quiet unless you know what you are talking about."
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:17 AM
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1. The congress and senate is a held by Republicans in the majority..
and they do exactly as bush says, for the most part. Yes it is the president's fault.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:20 AM
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2. IF he's so ineffective after 4 years, then what *can* he do?
Seems to me that a President who has no ability to fix (or at least improve) these issues is pretty powerless.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:22 AM
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3. Yeah, if he**'s worthless, why did you vote for him**?
NGU.


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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:22 AM
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4. What is *HE* talking about? It's a mystery.....
made *more* mysterious by his lack of specifics.

It's just ad hominem nonsense.
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:24 AM
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5. I remind those people that ...
when Clinton was president, they ALWAYS blamed him for everything! In fact, they're STILL blaming him for everything! What goes around, comes around.

I'm finding a lot of repubs who want it both ways. A few years ago they were always bashing Clinton for anything and everything. Yet now, they spew "Hey, it's not Bush's fault!". Ya can't have it both ways.

Besides, as the sign on Trumans's desk said - the buck stops here! When you're the head honcho, it comes with the territory. It's no different than a head football coach, or the CEO of a large corporation.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:24 AM
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6. I get this about the war
people say its not Bush's fault because his intelligence was wrong, etc. They don't want to hear about the Downing Street Memos. So I get them with this-why didn't Bushco listen to their own generals before the outset of the war? Those generals told them it would take more troops, told them how they needed to go about things, and the generals were ignored and, in some cases, dismissed. The know it all neocons, none of whom saw combat, planned and executed the war at the behest of the President.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:27 AM
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7. yes
of course if things were going good, they would be using that to say Bush is the best. But since things are going bad, then all of the sudden he has nothing to do with it.
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:32 AM
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8. he is the president --it's is his job to lead and his failure to do
so makes him responsible.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:48 AM
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9. They claim the credit when something goes right
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 08:50 AM by hobbit709
but they're not willing to take the blame when it screws up
But they're the "party of responsibility"
RIGHT!!!! And the moon is made of green cheese too
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:01 AM
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10. i am fucking sick of this
o, we can't blame the special olympics preznit. FUCK that.

i, I DEMAND more.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:06 AM
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11. Yeah Clinton started a war that Bush had to finish.
Hey - they create a reality, if it's biting them in the ass whose fault is it when a dream becomes a nightmare? Welsome to Krel
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:07 AM
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12. How come a Dem president does carry responsibility for what happens
on his watch, but a Repub president doesn't, especially now that Rupubs have a majority in the Senate and in Congress? They can't have power without responsibility.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:09 AM
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13. Here's another nice counter in today's WaPo.
Call It a Day - we've done all we can do in Iraq by Bacevich
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/20/AR2005082000114.html
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:17 AM
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14. Well for starters....
Remind him that we are not AT WAR! Only Congress can declare war, right now, we are under a presidental military action, so yes it is his fault.


As we speak, the President is STILL pumping gas into the strategic reserve, hence making oil even SCARCER amd more expensive.

Then tell him to skip the library and get a fifth grade civics text. This stuff is rudimentary.
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