**************OFFICIAL HACKETT ELECTION RESULTS THREAD #9 ************

[NMDemDist2]

8 is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1979490&mesg_id=1979490

[AX10]

1. The Rethugfacsists are trying to steal the seat.

how can so many machines be down? :wtf:?

[Guaranteed]

6. Great question. nt

[Bucky]

40. "Rethugfacsists" ? Surely we can be more creative than that.

Such silly business this name calling is.

[Spiffarino]

62. If the shoe fits...n/t

[BlueWolff]

2. Come on Paul be ready to fight

They are trying to steal it again. They have to hand count 91 precincts...WTF!!! They will do anything to win. This time we CANNOT let them get away with it. I am so angry!

[progressoid]

38. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to give up easily!

[bvar22]

3. Diebold ATMs work just fine in New Orleans.

100% humidity all summer long!

[napi21]

20. I'm not sure these were Dibold. Caller on Malloy said optical scan.

I know not all precints are the same, but that caller was from Clermont. Besides, if they were Dibold, they couldn't do a recount!

Unless, of course, they have a lot of people who can read digital bits on a disk!!!!! Maybe real good glasses, huh?

[Carolab]

28. Diebold MAKES optical scanners. We use them in Minnesota.

So do ES&S and Sequoia, in addition to touch screens.

[dissent1977]

59. Diebold makes optical scans, and remember...

A paper ballot only does us any good if it is double checked to make sure the machine is counting correctly. A manual count of some of the ballots is always a good idea, as hand counts have been shown to be the most accurate.

[truth2power]

119. You are correct. n/t

[RoyGBiv]

4. It's the Humidity!!!!

Why are there only "voting irregularities" in heavily Republican areas?

[Mz Pip]

11. Uh

'cause thy're losing???? :sarcasm:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[lateo]

46. It is very humid here...

yet my computer operates perfectly...

[RoyGBiv]

72. Strange ...

Whenever it is humid here, mine gets up and walks out of the room, and when it comes back, it's reformatted its hard drive and has reinstalled Windoze. My bank account always seems to have less money in it too.

Weird.

[mirrera]

103. That is funny! n/t

[neuvocat]

96. Could be all their heavy breathing

<<huff-huff>>

"No dang libbruls gonna win this seat..."

<<huff-huff-wheeze>>

:evilgrin:

[Sparkly]

5. Clermont website's back up.

100% reporting, and lo and behold, guess who made great gains while it was down??? Schmidt, of course.

[Lex]

8. Wow, no kidding? I'm SHOCKED.

not

[FW_]

10. Meaning?

What does this do to the overall #'s?

[Joanne98]

13. No shit......

[Guaranteed]

16. MASSIVE gains. Thousands.

Anyone have a screenshot for the 100 precincts? What were the numbers, then?

[riverwalker]

26. this 100 before the humidity?

Special General 2005
8/2/05
08/02/05, 09:30:23 PM
100 of 191 Precincts Reporting



Representative to Congress 2nd District (Vote for: 1)
Early Voting Election Day Provisional Total Percentage
JEAN SCHMIDT 1158 6711 0 7869 56.24%
PAUL HACKETT 750 5349 0 6099 43.59%
Write In Votes 3 22 0 25 0.18%
Total Votes Cast 1911 12082 0 13993 100.00%

[Guaranteed]

39. THERE we go...yup.

She gained a couple of percentage points, and about....oh....looks like about 3,000 votes ON Hackett, where the previous margin had been about 1800 (for a total of around 4,800, at the end). Gaining that in less than half of the precincts.

Edited for math screw-up.

[Guaranteed]

50. IOW, they stuffed. nt

[RoyGBiv]

54. Here's one at 52%

This is from a different site, but it shows the numbers before things went all screwy.

I don't know if it means anything or helps. This is for archival purposes.

[Justitia]

25. Thieving Bastards. They will pay for this one.... -eom

[Mr_Spock]

7. Like I was saying - who would've expected all this drama!!!

This is better than Monk :D

[tsuki]

9. At least now we know why the RNC dumped half a mill into Ohio in

the last few days.

[tk2kewl]

19. bribes

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[wildeyed]

21. Ha!

And we were sending our nickles and dimes to Hackett. Win or lose, and I want to win, he did good.

[Ksec]

12. the fat lady hasnt sang yet so keep the fingers crossed

miracles can happen if we can keep the thugs outta the count

[JimmyJazz]

22. who the fuck are we kidding? the fat lady has left the stage, changed

he wardrobe and is now sitting on the loo. :(

[meganmonkey]

30. Why am I picturing Blackwell as the Fat Lady?

:shrug:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

33. Yep

And she's been there since 2000. x(

[pbartch]

167. A miracle DID happen -- Remember the vote for Govenor in WA state!!

The DEMOCRAT won!!!

[cal04]

14. 2 things, one from channel 3 and the other from

swingstateproject

Fifteen polling places at Cleveland Municipal Schools were changed after the schools were “permanently or temporarily” closed this spring.The new polling locations were posted at the old precincts, but the change made for some frustrated voters. A Board of Elections spokeswoman says voter information postcards with new polling locations were mailed to affected voters last month.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=38753

PDATE (Bob) 10:35 I'm hearing the "F" word from a whole lot of people. Lots of rumors of potential fraud, lots of sketchy stuff....
http://www.swingstateproject.com/

[WCGreen]

157. That happens all the time, I hate to say

[bufffbison]

15. clermont elections phone number

[phone]


call em up and ask whats going on...

[adolfo]

169. Please don't call to harass

Flooding their phones is counter-productive. We need to gather precinct reports from them!

[Dinger]

17. The Repugs Acted Like This Election Was Nothing, But Now

it looks like that was a smokescreen (what's new?)
I don't know much about this election, but evidently it's WAY more important to the repugs than they would have us believe.

[derby378]

92. EVERY election is important to the Rethugs now

They have to show that they have a "mandate," you know.

[niallmac]

18. I'm not sure which pisses me off more. The war or our hijacked democracy.

[halobeam]

23. A hijacked democracy brings war on.

[niallmac]

yes siree it does.

[Fleshdancer]

24. Enough bitching. Let's organize.

If rumors are true, we're looking at hand counts. We like hand counts, hand counts are good. HOWEVER, we all need to know that there is someone in there we can trust.

I want the media there with their cameras on. I want to know that the DNC is on it. I say we start making some phone calls NOW.

[Justitia]

32. I want a Democratic lock down on that place - PRONTO!

Consider it a CRIME SCENE

[Fleshdancer]

51. sounds good to me

I want to know who's counting those votes right now.

[tridim]

35. Hand recounts are great until the powers that be step in and stop them

Which will happen again, guaranteed.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

36. Sorry, But You're Living In Fantasyland

Recounts are useless, and they're even more useless since they'll be taking place in Ohio. The last recount in Ohio this past December was a real doozy.

We're losers. At least this time we came close, but we're still losers, and may very well remain that way while the repubs are in total control of everything, and have the power to do Whatever they feel like.

Even coming close is still a win to them. Just ask bolton whether it matters how he got in....point is Shrub won, Dems lost.

[Fleshdancer]

55. Thanx for the insight Eyore. n/t

[stepnw1f]

57. Whatever..(nt)

[Teaser]

66. Oh come off it.

This district is fucking radioactive red and we nearly won it.

Try some fucking rational analysis instead of the trollesque whining.

[Dr Fate]

121. What do you mean "we" are losers, paleface?

"We" just kicked their asses hard- a 20 point gain- we came out of nowhere and blindsided the bastards!!!

Believe it- that was just the practice round!

[adolfo]

162. Citizen Election Audit

Anyone can have access to the ballots under Ohio Public Records Laws. All you have to do is ask to see them. However, there is a limited amount of time before the records are destroyed.

It is a very simple process. Even though the results from an independent audit are not official at least it can help prove fraud.

[Dragonfli]

27. The Spin on this should be fun to watch

They really got trounced tonight, even if they "win" the race
(heavy republican district turned 50/50 white knuckle ride).

Added bonus -

There will be a recount. They will then have to justify THE EQUIPMENT that WE may be able to prove is not adequate for an accurate recount.
Think of that bonus opportunity.

[yankeefanatic3]

29. I'm so sorry...Clermont operator says "Jeannie" has won

The fix is in. Fight Paul....Im almost crying

[roguevalley]

34. I heard he lined up bull dog lawyers to investigate fraud. So much

for the pukes 'burying' him. If he goes to Iraq and gets hurt, I hope it ignites a revolution.

[Flirtus]

166. o/t - love your dach's

makes me want to leave work and go home! mine are a black and a red, so seeing two reds is mind warping.

[DURHAM D]

31. I just called the County office - someone posted the phone number.

They actually answered and said they were done counting with the following results.


Hackett - 12,439
Schmidt - 17,320

Sorry

[tk2kewl]

42. website was reporting something different and now it's down again

[AntiCoup2K4]

52. What are the Ohio laws on recounts?

Is the total still within that range?

[DURHAM D]

63. I don't know - sorry eom

[Mr_Spock]

37. 59095 - 55091 Shit wins :(

bummer

That's 100% reporting

[Bumblebee]

41. Not so fast...

[yankeefanatic3]

45. Must set up a DU Recount petition now n/t DONT GIVE UP

[tk2kewl]

47. the fix was set to avoid a recount

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[yankeefanatic3]

58. What is wrong with this country

I am seriously sobbing my eyes out. This is a tremendous injustice. It is disgusting

[Mz Pip]

That's how I see it.

Don't want no stinking recount. Too much publicity. Too many prying eyes...


Mz Pip
:dem:

[jurassicpork]

56. There's no fucking way

...that Hackett could've lost by 4000 votes. Just a few minutes ago, he was trailing by less than 900.

Can you believe that this election was not even mentioned on CNN.com?

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

[Justitia]

70. Yeah, the machines broke because of "HUMIDITY" - right!

Those fascist fuckers fixed those machines for that boot-licking Bushbot Nazi freak.

[Mr_Spock]

90. WCPO - 57,974 Shit to 54,401 Hackett.

He did really well - it was an exciting night!

[jurassicpork]

43. I have the up-to-the-minute election results...

...on my blog. All but one of the precincts have completely reported. Last I heard, Hackett was down by under 900 votes. It all hinges on Clermont County.

What do you think the chances of getting a recount with J. Kenneth Blackwell as Sec. of State?

Bwa ha ha ha! I kill me, sometimes.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

[Bumblebee]

48. Can you contest anyway and pay for it?

[Lauri]

65. How convenient!!!

Schmidt ends up by 5000 votes after only being up by 800

One hour delay in getting Clermont's results

Clermont results - Schmidt 5000+ over Hackett

[Mr_Spock]

76. Actually it's 4000, not totally surprising for a 75% - 25% Repuke district

He did amazingly well, no Dem has gotten more than 30% there since 1984.

[Guaranteed]

86. And she won Clermont by 4,800- after the "humidity."

Yes, not suprising at all.

[Mr_Spock]

97. Lol - OK

I hope it's a sham, but I'm not going to get my hopes up - he did AWESOME tonight - let's not ruin it for him!

[Lauri]

98. Sorry - read the numbers backwards - win was less than 4K

55151 to 59132 - less than 4000

http://www.hamilton-co.org/boe/inputdata/Electionsresults/RealTime/RealTime.pdf

can't find the Clermont numbers currently....

While I understand that Clermont is red, it is just fishy that the "delayed by 1 hr" results happen to match so closely...

[Joanne98]

44. MOTHER FUCKERS NOT WITHOUT A FIGHT!

[Justitia]

53. I'm w/you - I want heads on spikes! -eom

[meppie-meppie not]

49. Clement results.....

http://www.clermontelections.org/default.php?section=results&topic=current

Current Election Results: 8/2/05 Election Find on this page:
Printable View


Special General 2005
8/2/05
08/02/05, 10:49:17 PM
191 of 191 Precincts Reporting



Representative to Congress 2nd District (Vote for: 1)
Early Voting Election Day Provisional Total Percentage
JEAN SCHMIDT 1158 16162 0 17320 58.09%
PAUL HACKETT 750 11689 0 12439 41.72%
Write In Votes 3 56 0 59 0.20%
Total Votes Cast 1911 27907 0 29818 100.00%

[Chicago Democrat]

61. Whoring Lying Scumbag Republican Thieves!

Damn!

[napi21]

74. What kind of voting equipment do they use there?

I couldn't have been touch screen or they couldn't have done a hand count.

[meppie-meppie not]

87. I don't know sorry, but whatever it was they say the delay was because

of moisture affecting them somehow?

[mconvente]

60. news.cinci.com reports hackett lost 52-48

I still call bullshit.

[Bluebear]

64. Don't they ever cook up a different % number?

[halobeam]

73. why change what works..

Disgusting....

[shawn703]

69. Let me guess... that's out of the automatic recount range? n/t

[chiffon]

67. The issue is why 100% of ballots were in except the congress seat

And lo an behold...the server is down and then UP again with the congressional seat results.

Go figure, then figure and GO.

[sunnystarr]

68. A Clermont County blast from the past moment

From kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/2/222650/4208#140

Why were there stickers on ballots in Clermont County, Ohio?'

Serious new election tampering allegations have emerged from an Ohio county, where witnesses allege that stickers were placed on presidential election ballots, RAW STORY has learned.

Several volunteer workers in the Ohio recount in Clermont County, Ohio have prepared affidavits alleging serious tampering, violations of state and federal law and possible fraud. They name the Republican chief of Clermont's Board of Elections Daniel Bare and the head of the Clermont Democratic Party Priscilla O'Donnell as complicit in these acts.

These volunteers, observing the recount on behalf of the Greens, Libertarians and Democrats, assert that during the Dec. 14, 2004 hand recount they noticed stickers covering the Kerry/Edwards oval, whereas the Bush/Cheney oval seemed to be "colored in."

Some witnesses state that beneath the stickers, the Kerry/Edwards oval was selected. The opti-scan ballots were then fed into the machines after the hand recount.

Allegations of ballot tampering in Ohio - which decided the outcome of the presidential election by some 100,000 votes - find particular resonance in Clermont, one of three Ohio counties which saw the biggest increases in votes for Bush from 2000 to 2004. The other counties were Butler and Warren; Warren County had a lockdown after an alleged terror threat that the FBI later denied.

[DougieZero]

71. "the election was stolen" crowd

Are we seriously going to start this crap again? It was was an extremely red area. I think Mr. Hackett was well aware of his chances and this was really quite a shock that he did this good... it would of been a blow out of it wasn't for of us who helped and donated money.

Let's be honest... Jean's platform was "I love Bush the most".

[AndreaCG]

77. Funny how the "humidity"

did the machines in.

Funny how Democratic precints were shifted around.

[Justitia]

78. So, the machines DID break down due to HUMIDITY????

That's pretty fucking lame.

[meganmonkey]

105. And the 'handcount' lasted 10 minutes

The fuckers did it again. Same shit,different day.

Hackett kicked ass, and I count today as a victory, but the FRAUD HAS GOT TO STOP!

:grr:

[RoyGBiv]

79. Yes ...

Yes, we are seriously going to start "that crap" again.

You want to know why? Here's why. The *home* county of the candidate who is at that moment losing ground suddenly experiences "voting irregularities," it's reporting website goes offline, and some idiot claims that "humidity" is the problem.

Yes, I think we will start questioning "that crap" once again.

[Spiffarino]

80. Mmmm...

Yep.

[Mr_Spock]

82. I'm with you - he did amazingly well, no Dem got more than 30% since '84!!

He really shoock 'em up there - we need to build from this momentum.

[StudentOfDarrow]

84. It must be admitted that it's a bit suspicious that while

the Clermont website was down, Schmidt turned a 900 vote lead into 5000. I'm sorry, but I just can't swallow that.

[tishaLA]

85. I will practice self-restraint

and not tell you what I think of your post and how "Jean" and "Mr. Hackett" might feel about it.

[halobeam]

94. you think it still looks like an extremely red area?

I'm sorry, I don't agree. The machines went down for "humidity" and then came back up with a 4200 count difference in favor of their hometown Republican runner? Oh please.

[IndianaGreen]

95. Drunk with Kool-Aid, aren't we?

The fact that the results for Schmidt's county were held up due to humidity seems to not matter to you at all. All you can do is belittle the DU community that has been through this shit since the 2000 Election was stolen. pfff...

Republican party is a criminal enterprise composed of traitors and jihadists. They are drunk with power and they will never surrender power peacefully.

[DougieZero]

101. yeah

yeah... I agree about 2000 being stolen, but this election ended like 10 minutes ago.

[meganmonkey]

130. Yeah - and the Clermont County glitch happened 11 minutes ago

Have you read the posts and links about it? First a humidity problem and a potential handcount, then the final numbers pop up with a HUGE change in votes...


------

With 88 percent of precincts reporting, Republican Jean Schmidt had 49,681 votes, compared with 48,811 for Democrat Paul Hackett -- a margin of under 1,000 votes.

We now know why it's taking so long for all the votes to be counted in a special election for an Ohio congressional seat.

The Board of Elections in Clermont County, east of Cincinnati, says it's optical scanners haven't counted all the ballots yet because it was so hot -- and humid -- Tuesday.

Board member Tim Rudd says the ballots pick up moisture when it gets hot, making it tougher for the optical scan machines to sort and count.

The race in the Second District is neck-and-neck tonight. Republican Jean Schmidt leads Democrat Paul Hackett by fewer than one-thousand votes with 88 percent of precincts reporting.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2005/local/08/02/necktoneck.ht...

[Greeby]

75. *sniff*

I'm sorry, but I just gotta do this: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Chicago Democrat]

81. Ok must cry too!

http://www.hugi.is/hahradi/bigboxes.php?box_id=51208&f_id=1383

dog crying


me crying

:cry: :cry: :cry:


Hey guess what? Bodes very well for 06!

[yankeefanatic3]

83. Jean Schmidt declared winner

From WPCO:

US HOUSE Ohio 2nd Dist
753 precincts of 753 reporting
**JEAN SCHMIDT 57,974 52%
PAUL HACKETT 54,401 48%

[Carla in Ca]

88. I'm going to join you

Total

Schmidt: 59,095 votes (52%)
Hackett: 55,091 votes (48%)

2nd Congressional District
:cry:

[yankeefanatic3]

91. See? Something IS Fishy

US HOUSE Ohio 2nd Dist
753 precincts of 753 reporting JEAN SCHMIDT 57,974 52%
PAUL HACKETT 54,401 48%

Thats with 100% reporting, and yours with 100% was Schmidt: 59,095 votes (52%)
Hackett: 55,091 votes (48%)....So how can that be 100% there, and 100% here? It makes NO sense.

[Guaranteed]

102. SCREENSHOTS.

Where'd those extra thousand+ votes come from?

[Justitia]

106. "Humidity" made small votes swell up to big votes! -eom

[yankeefanatic3]

109. Population statistics/screenshots must be gathered nt

[mconvente]

132. I've got them

[Guaranteed]

136. Well done.

Let's get this out.

[Gregory1230]

89. Don't worry

But we did win because that election were very close tonight anyway. That is more than 45% of votes in CD GOP support. That is good.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

93. We're All Still Fucked

Nothing has changed. Another loss. Close counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. Now we only have to wait another 15 months until the 2006 elections, and pray that something significant can happen there, but it's already too late I think.

This country has set it's course, and we're all probably doomed.

[Bumblebee]

100. it almost sounds like it gives you pleasure to say that!

actually, this has been one of the most hopeful things that happened in a long time.

[Mr_Spock]

108. Thank you . Thank you. Thank you!

You are putting it into the proper perspective. Winning takes perseverence - we are not owed anything - we have to earn it!

[Mr_Spock]

104. lol - here come the naysayers. We got 48% when no Dem got 30% since '84!!

What the fuck is wrong with people here at DU sometimes! Cut that crap all you crybabies.

[AndreaCG]

113. It's the humidity, stupid.

How conveeeeenient.

[Mr_Spock]

118. I said above it was a crock.

On the other hand, getting 48% in a district where no Dem has gotten more than 30% since '84 and while Repukes DOMINATE ALL THREE BRANCES OF GOVERNMENT, I think he did DAMN WELL!!

[stepnw1f]

107. You're On The List...

Smile.

[IndianaGreen]

116. Do you know what will happen in 2006?

We would have doubled the number of dead GIs in Iraq with no end in sight, and we may even be fighting the Shias in Iran and Iraq.

[Mr_Spock]

124. Yeah, and if we see a 25% swing in our favor nationwide, well have ALL

of the government back again!! This was a big day for us!

[Justitia]

128. WHY do you believe these lying bastards????

I have absolutely ZERO confidence that we know the truth of what occurred tonight/

Why do you take them at their word when they are proven liars???

[Mr_Spock]

133. I'm a facts based person - I'm going to celebrate this 25% turn !!!

Paul did AWESOME tonight - he should be proud as can be. GO PAUL!!

[high density]

143. Yeah, a loss, but Hackett came within striking distance

Which I feel is pretty amazing given that I saw some stats posted here that showed the GOP winning the seat in landslides since the 1980s.

[Pirate Smile]

99. I still think the idea of him running for Dewine's seat in 2006 - just a

little over a year - isn't a bad idea - But will he be in Iraq?

If he does this well in a hugely Republican District, he could do great in the entire state.

He is an attorney and a vet. Why can't he run for Senate?

He is an extremely attractive candidate and we need to pick up Senate seats.

[halobeam]

111. I'd travel to Ohio to help with that race if he did run.....

sounds good to me!

[Jane Eyre]

110. Wait, HALF the county was handcounted & HALF was not??!!!

Think about it for a minute...they used the same machines in all the county precincts & those machines were found to be defective in some precincts, therefore ALL the machines are in question and ALL the ballots need to be handcounted!!!

[yankeefanatic3]

112. Someone set up a petition asap for Hackett and Ohio Democrats

We must fight this.

[yankeefanatic3]

117. DO NOT CONCEDE! N/T

[halobeam]

114. yep. agreed

[Justitia]

115. Yup - according to our first fuck-over, aka Bush V. Gore -eom

[nankerphelge]

120. I think anyone familiar with...

this area of Ohio would tell you that the result is not surprising.

[osaMABUSh]

122. The repukes are f**ked in '06

You kidding me, a repuke wins by 4% in Southern Ohio? I can't wait for next year!

[Justitia]

125. Why? OH is CORRUPT and DIRTY. Repukes will ALWAYS "win".

[Dr Fate]

126. This was merely a practice round.

I'm with you.

[sunnystarr]

123. Read this analysis from kos

From my blog about the last 91 (4.00 / 2)

Pre-Final Vote Tally:
Schmidt (R) - 49,681 (50%)
Hackett (D) - 48,811 (50%)

88% Reporting

Final Vote Tally:
Schmidt (R) - 59,132 (52%)
Hackett (D) - 55155 (48%)

Now, I am hardly someone who screams fraud, but look at this....out if 91 precincts...about 12% of the total, the margin went from 0.89% to 3.49%...in other words it almost quadrupled.

What were the results from those last 91 pricincts:
Schmidt (R) - 9,451 (60%)
Hackett (D) - 6,344 (40%)

Another thing you'll notice. If you were on here earlier, I was projecting that, extrapolating from the first 100 pricincts, that the last 91 would have about 10,000 votes. In fact, the final tally has them giving out 50% more than that...over 15,000 votes.

Also, while Schmidt's margin in the first 100 was about 56% to 44%, the margin is much, much wider in the last 91...60% to 40%.

Also, this puts the overall total well out of range of any recount margin.

FleetAdmiralJ

When it smells it means something is fishy ...

[meppie-meppie not]

138. any exit poll results? that's what I'd lik to see

[kitkat65]

160. Well, that's it! Did this Clermont surge put it out of recount range?

"Also, this puts the overall total well out of range of any recount margin."

50% of one county surges that much in the final hours? C'mon!

Who did the hand counts? Those need to be locked down. NOW!

Not only would they want to put it at a winning but not obvious percentage, but it absolutely had to be over automatic recount range because then it's all called into question.

[CAG]

127. NEW republican credo: "We support the troops, but we don't vote for them"

(nt)

[dr.zoidberg]

129. I'm having difficulty following this.

Has a winner been announced, yet? Did I miss anything? Does anyone find it unusual that the former offensive coordinator of the New York Jets is running for Congress in Ohio(I couldn't resist, it's way too obvious and besides Jets fans here wouldn't be rooting for him anyway;-) )?
I noticing alot of 'if the repubs win, then they stole the election' vibe going on. This can only lead to bad things. Not to mention that what goes around, comes around. So don't have a fucking hissy fit when a Dems is accused of rigging an election either. Uh, just saying :argh:.

[Justitia]

131. Her lead mysteriously appeared after the machines "broke"

and that doesn't seem the least bit unbelievable to you considering this is CORRUPT OHIO????

[dr.zoidberg]

139. Nothing is unbelievable.

Calling politicians corrupt is like saying the sun rises in the east or that Stuart Scott is a shitty anchor. It's a known fact. Still though, I really hate when people bitch and moan 'cause their guy didn't win. So you're favorite candidate lost, you'll have to live with it. Next time, find out what went wrong and how to fix it. And if you have to play dirty to do it, then so be it. Politics ain't a racket for saints. Never has and it never will. if you're not willing to play dirty, then you shouldn't be in it.

[Justitia]

150. WTF? The day I start accepting corruption is the day I become Repub.

[dr.zoidberg]

165. Of course you don't.

No right minded, normal person should accept corruption in politics. The fact is, though, that it exists on both sides. I think that the Dems have done a better job of hiding it. I guess you could say that sometimes you have to play a little dirty. I'm not saying being corrupt, I'm just saying that if you have any incriminating photos of your opponent, then use them to the fullest.

[mikelgb]

134. Bummer.

:(

[truth2power]

135. Friend who called me about the "humidity" just called again...

his electricity went off about 11:15 est. He lives about 5-6 miles from Clermont bd of elections. Was out about 15 minutes. I don't know if outage extended to Batavia, OH. anybody know?

No storms here or anything.

[lildreamer316]

137. WHAA??

someone better jump on this....

[Progressive4Life]

140. I emailed Verified Voting and BBV

Linked this entire thread, since it contains loads of stuff to look in to.

We can't let this newest batch of fraud go unreported!

[yankeefanatic3]

141. Bullschmidt: It's not "defeat", it's humidity PISSED n/t

[truth2power]

146. Sorry, can't get my screen to refresh....

This is all so strange. Air conditioned Bd of elections, but humidity caused probs. Then website down. then this electrical outage.

I know the repugs in this county, and I wouldn't put anything past them. Not trying to ramp up hysteria or anything, but this whole situation needs looking into, especially given the "ahem"....irregularities here with the vote in November.

[yankeefanatic3]

142. Hmm wow...maybe its the truth?

[yankeefanatic3]

145. MyDD is saying that Hackett will concede...n/t

[adolfo]

149. Even if Hackett concedes someone should..

still examine the ballots in Clermont and anywhere there are anomalies.

[yankeefanatic3]

153. Perhaps Verified Voting etc will get involved and

amount something close to what the Kerry campaign did. They would have to raise money for a hand count.

[jillan]

154. Do they do a concession speech in a special election?

I don't think I could handle another one :(

[adolfo]

159. It is normal procedure

We shouldn't give up on this one. The ballots can be easily counted by any party under public records law.

We need to organize and double check the results for accuracy. There are only 29,818 ballots and it can be done one precinct at a time.

[truth2power]

152. What are you talking about? Your post makes no sense.

Clarify please??

[formernaderite]

161. If it's very humid and everyones running the air conditioner...

it could well be the power plants cycled off for a moment.

[adolfo]

144. Clermont results should be double checked

I think Clermont County results should be double checked. Is it normal to change the listing order of candidates?

Paul Hackett was listed first until the results started coming in. Here is a copy:

------------------------------------------------------------
Special General 2005
8/2/05
08/02/05, 09:28:08 AM
0 of 191 Precincts Reporting

Representative to Congress 2nd District (Vote for: 1)
Early Voting Election Day Provisional Total Percentage
PAUL HACKETT 0 0 0 0 0.00%
JEAN SCHMIDT 0 0 0 0 0.00%
Write In Votes 0 0 0 0 0.00%
Total Votes Cast 0 0 0 0 100.00%
------------------------------------------------------------

Special General 2005
8/2/05
08/02/05, 08:24:09 PM
0 of 191 Precincts Reporting

Representative to Congress 2nd District (Vote for: 1)
Early Voting Election Day Provisional Total Percentage
JEAN SCHMIDT 1158 0 0 1158 60.60%
PAUL HACKETT 750 0 0 750 39.25%
Write In Votes 3 0 0 3 0.16%
Total Votes Cast 1911 0 0 1911 100.00%
------------------------------------------------------------

[yankeefanatic3]

147. Provisional ballots...

Does anyone have an estimate of how many provisional ballots are left to be counted?

[loudsue]

163. THAT'S what they did in Kerry v. Bush... THEY SWITCHED THE VOTES

They just flipped the totals, or flipped the names. Either way... the winner appears to be the loser, and the loser appears to be the winner.....

BY THE SAME MARGIN as if the loser won by the same amount.

Same shit. Different election. It's REALLY easy with computers!! We've all done a "cut & paste"!

FORENSICS NOW!!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Mr Blonde]

148. WHY?

Who voted for that witch? If Maj. Hackett wasn't the real deal, I don't know who is. Yeah I know, he did very well considering the locale. But still, he lost. Those bastards won.

[yankeefanatic3]

151. I still don't believe it happened

The site going down conveniently when massive amounts of votes are added for Schmidt...These things DONT add up

[truth2power]

155. Agree. And we shouldn't let this die. n/t

[adolfo]

156. CLERMONT Screenshot results:

	CLERMONT COUNTY					

Time			Schmidt		Hackett		Precincts Reporting

9:28:08 AM		0		0		0/191
8:24:09 PM		1158		750		0/191
9:30:23 PM		7869		6099		100/191
10:49:17 PM		17320		12439		191/191

note: write-in votes not listed (0.20% of vote total)					

[gasperc]

170. 9:30 range 56.3/43.7 to 58.2/41.8 at final

It is interesting to note how much the spread grew in the last 91 precincts. Would be interesting to find out how exactly the hand re-count was done.

Schmidt won by 3977 votes. Less than 500 vote margin would be needed to trigger an automatic recount. tampering here doesn't look like it was necessary but has any one else looked as close to the other counties

Clermont county

9:30pm 100 of 191 precincts
7869/13968 56.3% S
6099/13968 43.7% H 1770 vote difference

final 191/191 precincts
29759 58.2% S 4881 vote difference

41.8% H

[rrrevolution]

158. What is needed to prove fraud .....

Ok so the voting scanners broke down due to humidity and the last half of the vote counting was done by hand.

The only way to expose this type of fraud is to check the sign in book, tally the total signed in and compare to the final numbers reported, then match that number to the optically scanned ballots before they are destroyed. It is time consuming, but track down every person who signed in to vote and find out if they actually voted. Finally, do the same with the absentee ballots, and provisional ballots.

In this case the logistics have been made easier, because you can first concentrate on the non-reporting districts at the time the "humidity" made its appearance. Demand that all ballots hand counted be perserved.

It is likely that discrepancies will arise which defy explanation. It is always important to expose facts that cannot be explained, and leave that ball in the court of the Board of Elections to grapple with. A difference of 4-5,000 votes is not much, when you consider that only 2,000 to 2500 votes have to be flipped from one candidate to the other to reach this result.

[loudsue]

164. How con-veeeeeeen-ient!

"Board member Tim Rudd says the ballots pick up moisture when it gets hot, making it tougher for the optical scan machines to sort and count. "

We've been here before, folks.

The MAIN ARGUMENT IS.....

If a little "moisture" can make it hard for the optical scan machines, then we DON'T FUCKING NEED OPTICAL SCAN MACHINES!!! If our elections depend on "computers" to do the right thing, and the "computers" are so frikkin' "sensitive" that they might "shut down", then get the bastards OUTTA THERE!!!

Let REAL people count the votes, marked with pen and paper, and LET THE PUBLIC VIEW THE COUNTING!!!!!!

It's NOT rocket science!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Pacifist Patriot]

168. My thoughts on humidity.

Coming from a Floridian who has voted on several different systems in the spring, summer, and fall.

BULLSHIT!