Where are connections: Plamegate, Iraq war, DSM etc.

[jojo54]

Tell me what you think. I want to see all this tied together somehow and this go down as the biggest administration scandel in our history. I want Bushco to fry for what they've done, not only to us but to other nations as well.

So, anybody else think there are connections? and what are they?

[Guckert]

1. Remember, Plame's front company for the CIA was investigating

Saudi oil money ties to 9/11 and had to be closed when her name was "accidentally" leaked.

[jojo54]

2. Can't they assign this to someone else?

or will it be re-opened depending on what the special prosecutor finds out?

[melissinha]

7. Absofrigginlutely

I think that it was a convenient "oops, what did I do?" RED HERRING. Brewster Jennings was the target, at the very least it was the victim.

[xyboymil]

3. Bush Co wanted Wilson discredited so reason to go to war was covered up..

Wilson knew there was no yellowcake uranium going to Iraq. That would have been damaging to Bush in listing what we now know are blatent lies for going to war.

This goes beyond just revealing an CIA undercover agent. This goes to the core reasons why we went to war..and what Bush would do to lie (e.g. yellowcake uranium and WMD's) for his reasoning to do so.

2000 soldiers are dead, thousands of iraq citizens are dead, the blood of all of them are on this administrations hands.

Period.

[melissinha]

6. how damaging could it be?

Its not like there weren't otehr people that had already concluded that the yellow cake contract was a forgery, the UN Weapons INsepctors had already said so and Wilson was jsut corroborating that.

I think it was cause WIlson took it to the public, so they responded in kind.

[jojo54]

4. Answer me this, then...

if Bushco goes down in indictments and impeachment, who then will take over as pResident? Can it go down to Nancy Pelosi?? or is that a really long stretch?

[melissinha]

5. Here's my case

Administration attacks Wilson by "inadvertently" mentioning his wife is CIA.
Joseph Wilson married to Valerie PLame
Valerie PLame works for Brewster Jennings
Brewster Jennings CIA investigating Aramco
Aramco dealing with Bush family

THe outing of Valerie Plame outs ALL of Brewster Jennings and effectively stops investigations into Aramco.

Scenario 2:

UN Weapons Inspectors had concluded that Iraq no longer had WMDs.
UN Weapons inspectors determine Yellow Cake Uranium Contract is blatant forgery.
Upon behest of VP Cheney to investigate contracts, CIA choses Wilson to investigate.
Wilson writes reports that corroborates report by CHief UN Inspector Hans Blix, contract is a forgery.
Brittish Officials having read UN Weapons reports and evidence provided by WH, write memos saying they think there is no case for war.
GW. Bush refers to purchase of yellow cake uranium in Iraq in State of the Union.
Mr. Wilson writes in NYT that the president should not have represented yellow cake contract in State of the Union.... explains case. Basically saying one piece of evidence to sell war on Iraq was untrue, WH knew about it, but used it anyways.
Administration officials speak with reports (we don't know all the details yet, but can JUST imagine)
Robert Novak publishes articles stating that Mr. Wilson's report was inconclusive and besideshe wasn't sent by Cheney to go to Niger, his wife who works in the CIA did it. (OOPS)
Robert Novak pusblishes second article saying "By the way, if you haven't figured it out Mrs. Wilson works for this Brewster Jennings.. thats not CIA, whats the big deal.
Brester Jennings cover is blown to HELL, who KNOWS how many people were killed or put in danger.
All work that Brewster Jennings was doing into Aramco/Saudi oil has ceased... HOW CONVENIENT.


Basically Wilson said one piece of evidence to sell war on Iraq was untrue, WH knew about it, but used it anyways. This piece of evidence was one of the talking points of DSM, they believed UN Weapons Inspectors, because no tangible evidence provided by WH. Brittish Officials were convinced that WH had made up its mind and that was concocting intelligence to reach its goal this basically puts the intelligence "failure" in WH's hands, not in the hands of the actual intelligence agencies.

How much more can the intelligence community take, they are the scapegoats, the WH jstu put a big hole in the CIA....

[realFedUp]

9. -and effectively stops investigations into Aramco

that's an added tidbit I hadn't read before. thanks.

[melissinha]

10. According to Randi

Yeah, its a VERY tangled web that goes back DECADES.... I mean this threat was worth ANYTHING. I honestly don't blame them.... it really was their only alternative... so long as Rover did it in a calculating manner that cannot be construed as "intentional" its actually BRILLIANT.

[melissinha]

11. double post

oops!

[emulatorloo]

8. Jonathan Alter Newsweek, Frank Rich NYT had tied it together in Op-Eds

Both worth reading:

Alter "Why The Leak Probe Matters"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8598301/site/newsweek

<snip>

We got in because we "cooked" the intelligence, then hyped it. That's why the "Downing Street Memo" is not a smoking gun but a big "duh." For two years we've known that senior White House officials were determined to, in the words of the British intelligence memo, "fix" the intelligence to suit their policy decisions. When someone crossed them, they would "fix" him, too, as career ambassador Joseph Wilson found when he came back from Africa with a report that threw cold water on the story that Saddam Hussein sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.

<snip>


RICH "Follow the Uranium"

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?ei=5070&en=65a8cd4de94296df&ex=1122264000&pagewanted=print

<snip>

WELL, of course, Karl Rove did it. He may not have violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, with its high threshold of criminality for outing a covert agent, but there's no doubt he trashed Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame. We know this not only because of Matt Cooper's e-mail, but also because of Mr. Rove's own history. Trashing is in his nature, and bad things happen, usually through under-the-radar whispers, to decent people (and their wives) who get in his way. In the 2000 South Carolina primary, John McCain's wife, Cindy, was rumored to be a drug addict (and Senator McCain was rumored to be mentally unstable). In the 1994 Texas governor's race, Ann Richards found herself rumored to be a lesbian. The implication that Mr. Wilson was a John Kerry-ish girlie man beholden to his wife for his meal ticket is of a thematic piece with previous mud splattered on Rove political adversaries. The difference is that this time Mr. Rove got caught.

Even so, we shouldn't get hung up on him - or on most of the other supposed leading figures in this scandal thus far. Not Matt Cooper or Judy Miller or the Wilsons or the bad guy everyone loves to hate, the former CNN star Robert Novak. This scandal is not about them in the end, any more than Watergate was about Dwight Chapin and Donald Segretti or Woodward and Bernstein. It is about the president of the United States. It is about a plot that was hatched at the top of the administration and in which everyone else, Mr. Rove included, are at most secondary players.

<snip>

This case is about Iraq, not Niger. The real victims are the American people, not the Wilsons. The real culprit - the big enchilada, to borrow a 1973 John Ehrlichman phrase from the Nixon tapes - is not Mr. Rove but the gang that sent American sons and daughters to war on trumped-up grounds and in so doing diverted finite resources, human and otherwise, from fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. That's why the stakes are so high: this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war, not the unmasking of a C.I.A. operative who posed for Vanity Fair.

<snip>

[melissinha]

12. DailyKos tying in ARAMCO

http://sparky-mcgruff.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/3/16838/88864


Didn't know Tenet is working with Fitzgerald.... Guess I must have assumed that... this shit is gonna get INTERESTING...