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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:04 PM
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Read what the judge in the Judith Miller case said about the seriousness
of the Plame situation:

At pages 28-29:

"Applying this standard to the facts of this case, and
considering first only the public record, I have no doubt that the
leak at issue was a serious matter. Authorized “to investigate
and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws related to
the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure, as well as
federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to
interfere with, investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of
justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses,”
see Letter from James B. Comey, Acting Attorney General, to
Patrick J. Fitzgerald, United States Attorney, Northern District
of Illinois (Feb. 6, 2004), the special counsel is attempting to
discover the origins of press reports describing Valerie Plame as
a CIA operative monitoring weapons of mass destruction. See
majority op. at 3-5. These reports appeared after Plame’s
husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, wrote in a New
York Times op-ed column that his findings on an official mission
to Niger in 2002 cast doubt on President Bush’s assertion in his
January 2003 State of the Union address that Iraq “recently
sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” See id. at
3.

An alleged covert agent, Plame evidently traveled overseas
on clandestine missions beginning nearly two decades ago. See,
e.g., Richard Leiby & Dana Priest, The Spy Next Door; Valerie
Wilson, Ideal Mom, Was Also the Ideal Cover, Wash. Post, Oct.
8, 2003, at A1. Her exposure, therefore, not only may have
jeopardized any covert activities of her own, but also may have
endangered friends and associates from whom she might have
gathered information in the past. Acting to criminalize such
exposure of secret agents, see 50 U.S.C. § 421, Congress has
identified that behavior’s “intolerable” consequences: “he
loss of vital human intelligence which our policymakers need,
the great cost to the American taxpayer of replacing intelligence
resources lost due to such disclosures, and the greatly increased
risk of harm which continuing disclosures force intelligence
officers and sources to endure.”

And, at pages 39-40:

Indeed, Cooper’s own Time.com article illustrates this
point. True, his story revealed a suspicious confluence of leaks,
contributing to the outcry that led to this investigation. Yet the
article had that effect precisely because the leaked
information—Plame’s covert status—lacked significant news
value. In essence, seeking protection for sources whose
nefariousness he himself exposed, Cooper asks us to protect
criminal leaks so that he can write about the crime. The greater
public interest lies in preventing the leak to begin with. Had
Cooper based his report on leaks about the leaks—say, from a
whistleblower who revealed the plot against Wilson—the
situation would be different. Because in that case the source
would not have revealed the name of a covert agent, but instead
revealed the fact that others had done so, the balance of news
value and harm would shift in favor of protecting the
whistleblower. Yet it appears Cooper relied on the Plame leaks
themselves, drawing the inference of sinister motive on his own.
Accordingly, his story itself makes the case for punishing the
leakers. While requiring Cooper to testify may discourage
future leaks, discouraging leaks of this kind is precisely what the
public interest requires."

http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/docs/common/opinions/200502/04-3138a.pdf

The judge clearly believes that the leak was serious; that Valerie Plame was, in fact, a covert agent; that a crime was committed; and that there was a plot against Wilson.

So who ya gonna believe -- a federal judge, or Rush Limbaugh? :rofl:
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:07 PM
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1. You gotta believe Limbaugh
that judge might be a Democrat and, even worse, APPOINTED BY CLINTON! Why he might, at some time in his judicial career, have had a blowjob, even.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:15 PM
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5. Too bad, Rush.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:50 AM
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13. Isn't Sentelle one of the judges who appointed Starr?
To investigate Clinton? If so, they can hardly complain now!!!

(A member of that infamous 3 judge panel who had lunch with Jesse Helms?)
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:29 AM
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15. The very same
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:15 PM
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36. I think these quotes are from Judge Tatel's opinion concurring
in the judgment. However, I agree that it is obvious that Judge Tatel considers the leaks and Fitzgerald's investigation to be very serious. Here is my take on what Judge Tatel's comments may mean. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4119011&mesg_id=4119602

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:32 PM
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8. *lol*
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:48 AM
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12. re: BJ ------- Rush is just jealous!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:08 PM
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2. Do I have to answer right now, or can I think about it awhile?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:12 PM
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3. Your "who ya gonna believe" question just gave me a real nightmare:
Der Bushler appoints Rush Limbaugh to the Supreme Court.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:40 PM
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27. was Michael Savage the second judge?
Or was it Ann Coulter?
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:13 PM
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30. Bite your tongue!
(and goddess forbid!)
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:12 PM
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4. The prosecutor has already convinced the judge there's a crime!
Soon, he's going to indite!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:24 PM
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6. How long do you think this is going to take till Fitzgerald comes out
and talks? In other words - how long do you think this investigation is going to take?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:24 AM
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9. The judge said he believed it would be wrapped up in four months.
He should know better than me! I suspect it depends on how many more people Fitz calls to testify, and what they say. Did Cooper's testimony cause Fitz to want to talk to someone else?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:48 AM
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10. Andrea Mitchell suggested last night Fitzgerald would finish this summer.
She was on HARDBALL last night with David Gregory, sitting in for the bombastic, uninformed Chris Matthews aka "Tweety."

Thanks for posting this excerpt.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:01 PM
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16. You mean she pulled her head out of her ass long enough to say something?
wow
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:47 PM
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37. Be patient, we are lucky it is coming out
during Bush's term and not afterward. I don't think the Bush gang can weedle out of this one!!! This is a very serious matter, and some people are going down on this one!!!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:30 PM
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40. Even Neocon Bill Kristol says someone will likely be indicted...otherwise
Fitzgerald would not be spending all this time and effort.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:32 PM
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7. This line:
federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to
interfere with, investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of
justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses


These sorts of offences are signatory of the canonical "corrupt organization." Which then opens the door to filing charges under RICO against PNAC signatories. It's not so much that they implemented the PNAC, it's that they broke laws doing it. Then they broke more laws to cover it up.

-Hoot
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:11 PM
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17. Yes, and it relates to info discussed on this thread
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:17 PM
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25. yep kicked that one a few times too.
I can't believe it hasn't gotten more attention.

-Hoot
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:28 PM
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26. Important threads are dropping...
I see a lot of interesting and telling info in some of these threads that keep dropping--patterns and such that are related, that IMHO, are indicative of the big picture with respect to this Rove/Plame/Wislon, et. al. issue. Trying to keep 'em together, because seems to me, they all are somehow related.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:52 PM
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38. When they go down on this one,
it will be like a house of cards. It will also make a case for the fact that they sought revenge on Wilson, because his facts did not support a case for the Iraq war. This shows that the Bush gang cherry picked only what would support a case for war. This would then support a case for impeachment and so on......this is some heavy duty shit, and the Bush gang is freaking out !!! Besides Roves tricks and spin are no longer working, We are hep to that game!!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:36 AM
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11. discouraging leaks of this kind is precisely what the public interest requ
Whoop ....there it is. This isn't about protecting sources, this is about protecting criminals and that is a crime..
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:20 AM
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14. Accordingly, his story itself makes the case for punishing the leakers...
Punish away - by all means :D
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:39 PM
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18. I'm enjoying this.
Wonder why asskkkroft appointed such a hard nosed take no prisoners Prosecutor to this case. Or am I wrong in thinking that asskkkroft
appointed Patrick J. Fitzgerald.

The Judge is ready to throw the book at them by the sounds of it.

Applying this standard to the facts of this case, and
considering first only the public record, I have no doubt that the
leak at issue was a serious matter.


Authorized “to investigate
and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws related to
the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure, as well as
federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to
interfere with, investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of
justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses,”

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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:59 PM
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21. Ashcroft, in a rare moment of integrity, recused himself.
So it was his #2, guy, James Comey, who appointed Fitzgerald.

I've read that Comey and Fitzgerald are long-time friends.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:05 PM
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23. Thanks I like the sound of that
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 01:13 PM by LibertyorDeath
"it was his #2, guy, James Comey, who appointed Fitzgerald.

I've read that Comey and Fitzgerald are long-time friends."


Mr. James Comey


James Comey was nominated earlier this month to the position of Deputy Attorney General of the United States.

On January 7, 2002, James Comey was appointed United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Prior to assuming that position, he served from 1996 through 2001 as Managing Assistant U.S. Attorney in charge of the Richmond Division of the United States Attorney’s office for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Mr. Comey was educated at College of William & Mary (B.S. with Honors 1982, Chemistry and Religion majors) and University of Chicago Law School (J.D. 1985). After law school, he served as a law clerk for then-United States District Judge John M. Walker, Jr. in Manhattan, and worked for Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher in their New York Office. He next joined the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, where he worked from 1987 to 1993, eventually serving as Deputy Chief of the Criminal Division.

As a federal prosecutor, he has investigated and prosecuted a wide variety of cases, including firearms, narcotics, major frauds, violent crime, public corruption, terrorism, and organized crime. In the Southern District of New York, he served as lead prosecutor in United States v. John Gambino et al., a six-month mafia racketeering and murder trial. In the Eastern District of Virginia, he handled the Khobar Towers terrorist bombing case, arising out of the June 1996 attack on a U.S. military facility in Saudi Arabia in which 19 Airmen were killed.

http://www.law.pace.edu/News/lectures/blank_speaker2003Nov12.html

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:24 PM
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31. Me too, but I don't feel confident in this...
From an old article:
<<snip>>
Also yesterday, the nearly 2,000 employees of the White House were given a Tuesday deadline to scour their files and computers for any records related to Wilson or contacts with journalists about Wilson. The broad order, in an e-mail from White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales, directed them to retain records "that relate in any way to former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, his trip to Niger in February 2002, or his wife's purported relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency."

White House employees received the e-mailed directive at 12:45 p.m., with an all-capitalized subject line saying, "Important Follow-Up Message From Counsel's Office." By 5 p.m. on Tuesday, employees must turn over copies of relevant electronic records, telephone records, message slips, phone logs, computer records, memos, and diaries and calendar entries.

The directive notes that lawyers in the counsel's office are attorneys for the president in his official capacity and that they cannot provide personal legal advice to employees.
<<snip>>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct3?language=printer

Were they passed to Gonzales?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:56 PM
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32. I saw that too
they may have covered their butts, all the proof has been deleted.

Why can't we have a DELETE button for this entire administration?:hurts:
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:54 PM
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39. Boy, that shredder will be working overtime! n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:38 PM
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35. This Comey?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4124218

barbaraann (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-17-05 08:22 PM
Original message
The Saturday Night Massacre happened on April 20, 2005.
DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL JAMES B. COMEY ANNOUNCES RESIGNATION FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

April 20, 2005
United States Department of Justice
WWW.USDOJ.GOV

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey announced today that he intends to resign his position at the Department of Justice and return to the private sector this fall. Comey has served as the Deputy Attorney General since December 2003, following his nomination by President George W. Bush and his confirmation by a unanimous Senate. As Deputy Attorney General, Comey led the Justice Department's enormously successful Corporate Fraud Task Force, created Violent Crime Impact Teams in cities around the nation to rid the streets of violent criminals, and oversaw the day to day operation of the Department of Justice, and its more than 104,000 men and women, under two Attorneys General.
...
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ohs/Press/04-20-05.htm


Steven Comey is Patrick Fitzgerald's best friend and boss. My guess is that they're going to replace him with someone like Ted Olson.


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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:44 PM
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19. Thanks for posting this.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:45 PM
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20. Oh, it's bad...
for the Repukes!! HAHAHAhahahaha!!!!
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:03 PM
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22. Not a Trivial "Leak," But an Organized Persecution
Yes, you have to keep in mind, and not lose, the point of the whole situation: This is not a trivial issue over whether or not "every Administration has leaks" or "did Rove tell the reporter or did the reporter tell Rove," or any of these other things they are trying to muddle everybody's thought with, until, yet again, we can't remember the original situation. Rove, Bush, Cheney, etc., will persecute and destroy anyone who criticizes or exposes any wrongdoing, and they will do it any way they choose, no matter who or what else it hurts. The reporters who went along with this were knowingly advancing the persecution of innocent whistleblowers on the story of phony WMD claims, and were concealing the identity of their attackers.

This is extremely threatening, typical for this group, and now as common as it was during the days of Nixon. The whole point--which the judge understood and the media knowingly obstructs--is that the modern Republican Party will destroy anyone it chooses to, there is no honest media anymore, and there are no laws protecting whistleblowers and witnesses, when there is only this corporate-Republican-media conspiracy left, directing itself where it will. The crime is based on the conspiracy to destroy Joseph Wilson, who spoke honestly.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:07 PM
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24. Very well said!
Cheers....
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:46 PM
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28. the Nixon connection
Well, Cheney and Rummy were in the Nixon administration. Anyway, I kind of doubt PNAC/AEI will get seriously addressed. It would be a miracle if they were.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 04:38 PM
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29. Kick Kick Kick EOM
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:33 PM
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33. kick
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strizi64 Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:48 AM
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34. No doubt
Rush is right!! All these f***ing liberal activist judges should be impeached...:sarcasm:
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