Is this an internal Clan war?? Poppy and Little Boots??

[frictionlessO]

Yes mere speculation on my part.

First off *41 does not like Rove.
*43 didn't really seem to like poppy touching his hand at the 9/11 church service.
Seems a number of Poppys people were very very leary of the Iraq war.
I'd think a lot of Poppys people in the CIA took a hit from **.

I don't know, its just this strange feeling I get. Theres an old pagan saying... "What of the King Stag when the young stag has grown?". History is replete with father figure offspring showdowns at least in story anyway.

Im just thinking out loud here, anyone want to poo poo all over this feeling? Or agree? Anyone?

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. ** hates Poppy. Hates him. I think Poppy was .. well had

expectations of Jr that Jr could never live up to.

And now, Jr has a father that outranks Poppy. *Cue heavnely light and angelic choir*

[frictionlessO]

9. I think poppy is/was a man that while still bad was not an idiot.

Or at least not given to such urges of persecutive bitterness, as to drown the country in war and possibly the world. Poppy is more of a clean crime kinda guy, lil boots is like a mafia street thug that the capos hate but his daddy is a made man...

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. Yes, both are evil, but in different fashions. And they don't like each

other for it.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. Right

Junior is always trying to be better than Poppy. So it does make sense. I don't think Poppy likes Junior fucking up either the family name.

[JohnnyBoots]

41. Fredo or Sonny?

[tk2kewl]

2. Wouldn't you love it ...

if HW just dragged W out from behind a podium by the ear and then gave him the back of his hand!!??

[elehhhhna]

3. I'd rather he deliver a sharp right hook.

Then let the Ghosts of Democracies Past haunt * in the ass.

[Double T]

4. The solution is the 'H.W.' clan needs to disown 'W' then they.....

need to adopt William Jefferson Clinton as their son. Embarrassment and problem solved.

[frictionlessO]

6. Ahh yes the Clenis is *43 adopted love child these days...

Though I dont think his wife likes him all that much. (Babs not Hill)

[ScamUSA.Com]

23. I think he already did that

[AwakeAtLast]

29. I had a thought along the very same line

Mine was "That would explain why HW and Clinton have fast become buddies."

Good show! :hi:

[wli]

5. plausible

Clearly something dynastic is going on, and this sort of affair does occur in dynasties. There is a large question of who the master is who pulled the plug on them, and that sounds reasonable. Sounds like a useful tentative face to put on him.

These neofascists have had their cover rather thoroughly blown by all the scandals and bungled false flag operations anyway, so there's a chance of booting them out en masse if we can escalate this affair sufficiently.

[calimary]

31. And remember, GHWB insisted on continuing the private CIA briefings

even after he was ousted from the Oval Office. So he still has his hand in it, and still gets briefings every day. Wonder what goes on during those... especially THESE days?

[enid602]

7. feud

But wouldn't it be truly sad and ironic if a great nation's resources, finances, youth and posterity were at risk because of a family fight?

[bunny planet]

8. Bush I will never publicly rebuke Bush II because he is still hoping

the son he really wanted as President, Jeb, will have a shot at the WH.

[frictionlessO]

11. Yes but Im talking of clandestine inter tribal warfare, here.

So public knowledge isn't so much a factor as ambition, retribution and modes of operation.

Yes however you are essentially right except for Joe Wilsons letter from Poppy agreeing with most of his NYT articles points.. though I can see how that wouldn't mean much if worded correctly.

[bunny planet]

19. Did Wilson read the letter during his interview. I heard he was going to

but I can't imagine Poppy giving his permission.

I think it's possible that H.W. is pulling some strings behind the scenes to take down his own son. After all, His Fraudulency the lesser will bring down the whole Republican party and perhaps expose some long covered up inconvenient Iran-Contra left over factoids in the process.

[xxqqqzme]

24. stop stop - wait wait

what letter? has it been published? read?who said there is/was a letter?

[calimary]

32. I didn't know that, either - Details Please!

GHWB wrote a letter to Wilson? And I'm presuming it was a favorable letter? Somebody tell!

[bunny planet]

33. Poppy Bush apparently wrote Wilson a note (not really a letter) telling

him he agreed with him on all the points he made in an article after his wife was outed. Poppy has also gone on record saying that Joe Wilson was a hero for his actions during the lead up to the Gulf War when Hussein entered Kuwait. Randi Rhodes read some of the text of the note on the air today, and it was posted on DU this morning that Wilson would read the letter from GHWB on one of his television appearances today. Not sure if he did.

[xxqqqzme]

35. WOW!

That's all - just fucking WOW!

[bunny planet]

34. I had some of the details wrong, here's the transcript. Wilson did read it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1929929

[hvn_nbr_2]

26. Hmmm

I've been thinking that some folks at the CIA might be working to take down junior. Shift in Project (Operation?) Mockingbird seems a likely explanation for recent press activity (acting like they're an independent press). I hadn't thought of Poppy being involved, but I'd been wondering about the agency's internal angst over being torn between loyalty to Poppy and disgust (probably even loathing) with junior. Obviously I'm speaking of the rank and file at CIA, not Junior's handpicked sycophants who are now at least nominally in charge. I've thought that all those ones junior pushed out of the agency are probably still involved and in contact; they say no one ever really leaves.

One disagreement--I think they're probably worried about much worse than Iran-Contra leftovers. But those leftovers could lead to the worse things. Everything is connected in that gang of criminals.

[napi21]

27. Yes, he read it on Wolff's sho today. Showed the letter to Wolff

after reading it, including the signature.

Betcha Shrub & Rove are spazing over that one! Poppy had fired Rove for leaking info to a reporter back when he was Pres.

[enid602]

12. karma

* was not the favorite, so he had to cozy up to Billy Graham and the religious right, while making room on his team for the most cutthroat of campaigners and organizers to do the really dirty work.

Poppy was never my favorite president, but he did have a resume, brought about the as then largest tax hike in US history to save the dollar and was an intellectual to boot. He served his country during WWII. I don't think anyone (even a repug) deserves to see their offspring undo their life's work, and utterly destroy their legacy. And to be married to Babs (mom of all evil) at the same time. Life's a bitch. . . .

[FreedomAngel82]

15. I think that's why he's going against Junior

I think that's why because Junior is destroying the family name with all of his nonsense and he's fucking up now, so if Poppy comes out against Junior in a couple of years Jeb could have a shot at being president. If he just lets Junior slam the family name nobody will trust the Bush's again and they couldn't keep building their empire. I think that's why Poppy is coming out defending Wilson.

[bunny planet]

20. Too late for Jebby anyway, he's got that little Terry Shiavo matter to

live down now. Poppy should just try and save his own legacy, what there is of it.

[LandOLincoln]

13. I've been thinking this for awhile now.

Can't help but wonder if that's not part of the reason Rove got sicced on Wilson/Plame. After all, Wilson was Poppy's man, and the CIA was Poppy's bailiwick.

And that Oedipal little turd occupying the Oval Office will destroy the world, if he has to, to "prove" that he's more of a man than his Poppy.

BTW, I think this internecine warfare has a lot to do with the senior Bushs' "adoption" of Bill Clinton. Can you think of a better (and more diabolical) way for them to poke a stick in junior's eye?

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Oh yeah

I thought that was very strange myself. :shrug: I couldn't believe that. :crazy: And Barbara calling him her "son". Oy! I haven't seen Hillary hang out with them though. :shrug: Maybe it's all apart of a greater plan to get junior? I think that'd show after all this is over if Clinton and Poppy are still hanging out.

[LittleWoman]

22. I had a thought about this recently

Is it possible that Poppy and Clinton's hanging out together is a cover for some serious conversations about the mess * has gotten the country in and the potential for him to cause even more trouble in the Middle East or elsewhere? The social nature of their contacts such as going out for a boat ride off the Maine coast is a perfect opportunity for some serious talk away from listening ears. I have always felt that * whole performance is intended to show mommy that he is more of a man than daddy--very Oedipal!

[sendero]

16. I've always felt....

... that bush**'s entire presidency, the Iraq war, all of it is a vain attempt to prove his manhood to poppy.

[LandOLincoln]

18. I think you're right on, with one minor quibble:

I believe it ain't Poppy but Dubya's she-wolf of a mother he's trying hardest to impress.

[wallwriter]

21. 41 fired Rove for leaking to Bob Novak

[jonnyblitz]

25. ha...i like it that you call Bush by Caligula's nickname!

:P

[Geek_Girl]

28. After Reading Kitty Kelly's book "Bush Family Dynasty"

I don't get the sense that the Bush children were very close to their parents. It's seems to be a very dysfunctional family.

[frictionlessO]

30. Haven't read it myself.... but Ive always felt that there was definitely

something missing in that family.

[demwing]

38. The "something missing" is a human soul

I think Bush the Elder has/had one, but Babs sucked it dry, and never let her spawn properly develop their own.

They have icy black pits where their eyes ought to be. Reflections of the inner emptiness and darkness.

[roguevalley]

36. I think Poppy and Caligula are fueding. Caligula disses his pa as often as

he can.

[Carolab]

37. Oh, definitely. It's very Shakespearean.

In a stupid fuck sort of way.

[Maine-ah]

39. Rove was fired from Poppy's campaign in 1992

for leaking info to Novak.

http://portlandleft.blogspot.com/2005/07/salon-rove-fired-by-pappy-bush-in-1992.html

When Karl Rove was little known outside Texas political circles, he was fired from George H.W. Bush's 1992 reelection campaign for leaking information to syndicated columnist Robert Novak. According to newspaper reports at the time, Rove was terminated for passing information to Novak from a meeting of the president's chief advisors. Rove denied he was the leaker.

[frictionlessO]

40. Wowsers! This thread went way further than I thought it would!!

Im glad to see that there were a few others with the same itch in the back of their minds.