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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 10:57 PM
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Wow! Sidney Blumenthal on Iraq in Salon (Kinda Long)
"From the creation of the Iraqi state in 1921 to the army's coup of 1958, Iraq had 58 governments. In 1968, the Baathist Party led by Saddam staged another coup. Some periods of this prolonged instability were less unstable than others, but the instability was chronic and profound. The overthrow of Saddam appears to have returned Iraq to its "natural" unstable state. But in fact the instability runs even deeper.

The Baathists, of course, were Sunnis. Saddam was a Sunni. Before him, the monarchs, beginning with Faisal I, were Sunnis. Before Faisal, the Ottomans, who ruled beginning in the 15th century, were Sunnis. Shiites have never ruled the country until now. Why should the Sunnis, after 600 years of control, accede to the dominance of Shiites? In Vietnam, the root motivation against the United States was nationalism, as it was against the French. It even trumped communism in the national liberation struggle. In Iraq, religion and ethnicity are often ascribed as the root motivations of conflict. But to the extent that nationalism may exist as a factor, its ownership does not and cannot reside in the current Iraqi state.

The present Iraqi government is a ramshackle affair of Shiites and Kurds. The Kurds have no interest in a central authority, and play the game only to solidify their autonomy. The Shiites are maintained as dominant only by the presence of the U.S. occupation army and their sectarian militias. They will never disband those militias in favor of a national army unless they can run the army like an expanded version of the Shiite militias. Prime Minister al-Jaafari and the other Shiite leaders, including Deputy Prime Minister Ahmed Chalabi, have all been Iranian agents or allies, recipients of Iranian largess in one form or another. Shiite Iraqis are natural friends and allies of Shiite Iran. Iraq under the Shiites does not have to be remade in Iran's image to serve Iranian interests. Whether or not sharia (Islamic) law is imposed, Iraqi Sunnis will never see Shiites as Iraqi patriots or nationalists but, instead, as being in league with Iraq's traditional and worst enemy.

These suspicions are hardly abstract. The militia of the largest Shiite faction, the Badr Brigade of SCIRI (Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq), was trained and armed by Iran's Revolutionary Guards, and is heavily infiltrated and directed by Iranian agents today. Yet Bush has invested American blood and treasure in the proposition that a Shiite-dominated government, which now inevitably means an Iranian-influenced regime, can serve a second master in the United States and present itself to the Sunnis as national saviors.

Bush did not acknowledge this underlying assumption of his policy. Perhaps he does not know it is his assumption."

*more*

<www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/06/30/bush_speech/index.html>
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:05 PM
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1. Seems to be a bad link.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:13 PM
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3. Here's a retry on the link
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:42 PM
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8. No troubles. You don't have to join Salon, just click on the Day Pass link
Then you can read the entire article. I did, and it was great.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:08 PM
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2. Bush has a degree in History from Yale
Oh, the irony.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:32 PM
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6. World war III
OBL is becoming more mythical, and more historic evry time shrub opens his yap.

Thank god this aint WW3, cuz W* aint fit to lead it
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:23 PM
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4. Kick
Thanks!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:29 PM
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5. Yeah, Sid can handle his shit,,,,he knows the score
He answers e-mail too. At least he's answered me a few times.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:33 PM
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7. His comparison of Johnson and * is powerfully scary
Blumenthal's article paints Bush as insane as we think he is. Uninformed about the history of Mesopotamia and hell bent on having it his way. Duck and cover.

"You can't listen to those tapes of Johnson without hearing a man in utter agony, knowing he's trapped," Leslie Gelb, director of the Pentagon Papers project inside the Defense Department during the Johnson administration, and president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, told me. "Bush doesn't think he's trapped. Bush has reduced everything to will. I've never seen any self-doubt or agonizing, or anyone who works with him suggest that."

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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 11:45 PM
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9. To paraphrase "Poppy" We're in Deep Doo-Doo
If history is any indication, a "stable and peaceful" Iraq looks like a real will-o-the-wisp. I think Amy Goodman's right. Let's get out of there pronto. Our being there is only exacerbating the previously existing intrinsic incongruities of Iraq by serving to draw a new destabilizing element, foreign jihadists, into the country.

For all Bush's talk about "it's better to fight the terrorists there than on American soil," he doesn't tell us how we're going to win that fight. I, for one, have no stomach for Rummy's 12 year crusade. Saddam's gone, there never were any WMDs, and this war wasn't sold to the country on a "Democratization of Iraq" formula.


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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 12:14 AM
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10. Reading the Blumenthal article helped crystalize all the issues for me
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 12:16 AM
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11. Me too.
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