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cheeto Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:34 PM
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My response to Karl Rove -Wes Clark
Democrats everywhere are bemoaning the preposterous and inflammatory remarks Karl Rove is accused of saying in response to the Senator Durbin's remarks on Guantanamo Bay:
"Has there ever been a more revealing moment this year? Let me just put this in fairly simple terms: Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals...Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." --Karl Rove

I am so saddened by this untrue, unfair, unwise statement made by President Bush's closest advisor. I hope you will express your sadness directly to the highest authority.

Wes Clark
http://wes-clark.forclark.com/story/2005/6/23/18858/3813

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:40 PM
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1. The Dems need some fire
These responses are lame. A WAR CRIMINAL has called us out and this is the best we can do!?!?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:50 PM
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2. some more: MoveOn PAC Statement in Response to Karl Rove
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20050623/pl_usnw/moveon_pac_statement_in_response_to_karl_rove_s_attempt_to_distract_attention_from_the_president_s_failed_iraq_policy137_xml

Dean Calls on Bush to Repudiate Rove's "Desperate and Divisive" Attempts to Divide the Country
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20050623/pl_usnw/dean_calls_on_bush_to_repudiate_rove_s__desperate_and_divisive__attempts_to_divide_the_country209_xml;_ylt=AinFcRik7MEU9GqTToFJs.S1qHQA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Pelosi: President Bush Must Repudiate Rove's Shameful Remarks on 9/11 Attacks
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=49335

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Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying "it is time to stop using Sept. 11 as a political wedge issue."

"Karl Rove should immediately and fully apologize for his remarks or he should resign," Reid said. "The lesson of Sept. 11 is not different for conservatives, liberals or moderates."

more: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050623/pl_nm/bush_rove_dc_3

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:53 PM
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3. Problem is, there'll be no apologies, and no one will notice
There will either by some news distraction, or all these people will get tired of pressing the case.
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Larry in KC Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:39 PM
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10. True enough, unless...
...we MAKE them notice. I know the list of outrages is endless, but instead of giving in to the distractions, we need to (at the very least) keep up the drumbeat about every issue we can, to help all of those casual voters out there to see and understand just *co is doing to their country.

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:54 PM
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4. Fuck the 'apologize or ...'
... DEMAND THAT MOTHERFUCKING KKKARL RESIGN. PERIOD.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:10 PM
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5. Damn right! Resignation or nothing!
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:55 PM
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12. All Right Dean!
He knows what to say and isn't afraid to tell it like it is!

He's sent out a new mailing for money for the Dems that I got today, and as soon as I get paid, I'm sending another donation!! Because of him and great Democrats like him.
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ICantBelieve Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:19 PM
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9. He's asking for ALL OF US to respond
Write your Rep, Senators, and Bush. (I know, I know, Bush can't actally read, but ...)
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:14 PM
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6. he's put his foot in it now.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:18 PM
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8. blech
and what's he describing with his hand? :D
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:18 PM
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7. No apologies
Punch the fucker out, pweriod.

RL
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:44 PM
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11. Since when did Karl Rove
or any of the other neo-cons care what Al Jazeera broadcasts?

I'm sure Al Jazeera broadcasts lots of Bush smirking and babbling, too. Don't see him complaining about Bush being up on Arab TV.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:57 PM
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13. from the play book
But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hermann Goering
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:01 PM
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14. David Sirota on Rove's Comments
http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/letter-democrats-should-send-to-karl.html

Here is a draft letter that all congressional Democrats should sign and send to Karl Rove, with a military enlistment form attached.

Dear Mr. Rove,

Your comments yesterday about the War on Terror seemed to suggest that you feel very passionately about defending America, and sending others into combat. As you know, America is facing a serious enlistment crisis right now, at the very same time more casualties mount in the Iraq War. Therefore, since you have said you are so committed to this war, I have attached this enlistment form from the U.S. Army for you to fill out and submit. You are still young enough to contribute to the military and to the frontline war effort you say you care so deeply about.

Clearly, if you support forcing others to risk their lives for your ideological beliefs (without even providing them proper armor and weapons), you will no doubt be willing to risk your own. And I am sure you would not argue that your responsibilities as a partisan political adviser to the president is more important than fighting in combat for your country.

Please let me know when you fill out the enlistment form, and drop me a line when you get to Iraq to let me know if your still believe we should be sending troops to die for a war you lied about.

Sincerely,
Member of Congress

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/note-to-chickenhawks-enlist-or-shut-up.html

A Note to the Chickenhawks: Enlist, or Shut Up

There are a lot of pathetic political hacks running around these days talking tough about fighting wars - and most of them have never fought in a war, avoided fighting when they had the chance, and have no family members fighting in our current war. When ultra-hawk Vice President Dick Cheney had the chance to fight in a war, he said he had "other priorities." When George W. Bush had the chance, he used his dad's name to get out of combat service. While Peter Beinart and the New Republic claim they truly believe in more hawkish policies, I don't see him or the magazine's writers lining up to enlist. And last I checked, the same Karl Rove who is attacking Democrats for questioning the management of the Iraq War, is the Karl Rove who has never served in the military in his life.

Now, as I wrote in a cover piece for the Nation magazine a while back, we shouldn't be surprised that these chickenhawks have no problem talking tough about war, while running away from it in their own personal lives. Tough talk about war, and criticism of those who oppose it, makes these pathetic souls feel stronger than they actually are - and they have used it quite effectively in the political arena.

But Steve Gilliard today really puts these chickenhawks in their place:

"If you will not serve in Iraq, and no one you know will serve, stop expecting someone else to do what you will not. Therefore, it is time to stop calling for more troops, or the US to make Iraq safe. We cannot do this and even Americans are refusing to join the fight. It is time to look at your actions and realize, that despite your ideals, you oppose continuing this war. In practical terms, you have decided that this war is not worth your life or anyone you know. And million of Americans have joined you in this decision. So, with this fact evident, it is time to call for US troops to withdraw from Iraq. Not save it, not add more boots on the ground. You have already voted by your actions. It is time that you match it with your words."


This is the way Democrats need to be talking about these issues – not cautiously asking for an "apology" from Rove. We don't want "apologies" – we want a real debate about this. That means it is time for Democrats to finally go for the throat and make clear that if you are going to vehemently advocate sending more and more innocent Americans to die in Iraq, you better be prepared to back up that rhetoric with some sacrifice of your own. And that goes especially for the inside-the-Beltway neocon crowd who makes decisions and spouts off opinions from the confines of the well-guarded cocktail party circuit, and thus never has to deal with the blood-and-guts ramifications of what they're talking about. If you are willing to ask others for sacrifice but evaded such sacrifice when you had the chance, and aren't willing to make any sacrifice yourself now - then sit down and shut up.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:19 PM
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15. Contacting Chimpface and His Handler - let's spam the White House!!
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 07:19 PM by ClarkUSA
Contacting the White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

Mailing Address
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Phone Numbers
Comments 202-456-1111
Switchboard 202-456-1414

Bush: president@ whitehouse.gov
Cheney: vice.president@ whitehouse.gov

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ICantBelieve Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:58 PM
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16. Well, I wrote everyone...
I still can't imagine how angry Dems who've served must feel after a statement like that.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:17 PM
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17. Welcome to DU
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