Pelosi shivs Dean

[Teaser]

I can't take it anymore.

On Wednesday, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said that while Dean was "doing a great job" as party chairman, "I don't think the statement that the governor made was a helpful statement."

She later added that it "is not a fair assessment to characterize the Republicans" the way Dean did.


Tell her what you think:
[phone]

[CWebster]

1. typical.

[Imagevision]

36. Well, I don't know? - right now Dean is doing far more for the cause then

Pelosi -- and why must they mimmick each other in their comments, at least John Edwards got into the specifics of the thing.

[Spectral]

2. Maybe she needs to get a TV and actually watch the Repug Nat. Convention

It was a sea of Whiteness. And 41% of the party identifies with fundamentalist Christian Conservatism.

[mrgorth]

3. I honestly think this is all planned.

[MADem]

16. ***** Ding****** ding***** ding**** ding****ding!!!!!

You win the prize...tell mrgorth what he won, Johnny!!!!!!!!!!!!

You got that right in one! Of COURSE this is planned...even the expressions of distancing/disagreement/dismay/outrage. It's brilliant. It's called "appealing to your base."

Remember how the GOP sucked up to the religious right on the one hand, and then threw out platitudes to everyone else saying they weren't REALLY against all those folks wearing textiles as chapeaus, or those who didn't worship a white loooking blondish guy with a beard in a manner that did not include settin' in pews and waiting for the plate to be passed?

This is red meat for the politically active. The ones who vote and contribute. The counterpointed expressions of moderation are designed to throw the GOP off kilter, and make them think that Dean is on thin ice, and give them grist for the mill. MSNBC has been running this little drill for the last two days....hey, great, it is all good....spell his name right, D-E-A-N. The only thing better would be if they put the address of the DNC up on the screen to make it easier for people to donate! Go here if you want to do it online: http://www.democrats.org /

I know how I responded to all this--the check is in the mail. I urge everyone to send a small contribution if they can afford it. Fuck 'em--if we want plain talk, we have to let our representatives know that's how we LIKE it!

[bunny planet]

38. Just donated (again).

Sent this quote to Dr. Dean...
"When the Republicans stop lying about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them."
Adlai Stevenson

[MADem]

55. Bless you, Bunny!!!

And that is a fine name you have, as well!!! Sums it up, dunnit???

I've persuaded five individuals I have met in the course of this very day to commit to pledging money to the DNC as a direct result and consequence of this bullshit assault. Please tell your friends, too!

I notice that right around the time these clowns want the so-called PAT-riot act re-asserted, they find a dangerous criminal who owns an ice cream truck in California, giving them all the reason to go forward and continue to abrogate our liberties...

Yes, he may be a criminal, but why do I not AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE????

I always thought, as a country, that we were RIGHT, that we were GOOD, that we were on the side of the ANGELS....

Save us, Howard, save us!

[Califooyah Operative]

26. it's starting to appear more and more likely

many of us knew this would come though, it was a matter of time before the dlc, cheerleaded by the right would would resume the anti-dean/anti-progressivism campaign.

[pocket]

30. Planned to what end?

To get rid of Dean for good?

If they do that then they'll have lost me for good, too.

[Rainscents]

41. Mine too! I will also leave Democrat party. I am NOT going to stay in the

party who has no spine and I am sick and tired of it. Dean is speaking out and we must all stand behind him.

[sui generis]

4. Pelosi take note:

don't use republican phraseology like "not helpful" in your speech.

He's getting tons of free airtime, use it.

[AuntPatsy]

5. Your absolutely right on the money, the leaders should take note...

Use this free airtime wisely, and belittleing Dean is not a wise move...

[Warpy]

6. Nobody ever said the old guard DLC types were going to go quietly

into that good night of well deserved political oblivion.

They don't want to give up what they've had, even though it's kept the party out of power.

Consider the source.

[brentspeak]

20. So you think Pelosi is "the old guard DLC type"??

Good grief, just face the facts. Dean went from saying excellent things like "Bush is running this country into the ground" to "Republicans never made an honest dime in their lives" and "the GOP is pretty much a white, Christian party".

Way to go, Howard you idiot. Just alienate all moderate Republicans who have been unsure of the Republicans for the past few years, as well as much of the rest of the country. And as if on cue, the Republicans can easily put Ken Mehlman, a Jew, on TV to joke about Dean's assertion about the GOP being "Christian". The average TV viewer is just going to sit there and think (probably know) that Dean is an idiot for saying what he said.

[MADem]

57. I happen to think you are wrong

I think Dean will appeal to the LIBERTARIAN streak in many, who don't especially like politicians. I think it may take time, but I think his attitude may take hold, especially if more and more of our young end up being fodder and being returned in PERSONNEL TRANSFER TUBES.

I think Nancy will back away once she sees the writing on the wall. Check the polls...anyone like the war? NO--only diehards. Anyone like the ECONOMY? No...only idiots. Anyone like America's standing in the world? NO...only bozos who are so wedded to Bush that they cannot see or conceive of an alternative. They cannot even hit the bullshit fifty fifty number!!! No sensible person likes our progress!

Chimpco is crumbling...Dean was RIGHT to attack him now, early, and often. Shows that our party is indeed a BIG TENT. And many of these iffy types will find great solace inside that very tent once the train starts chugging....

Dean is right. We know he is right. Most people, when they put aside their partisan horseshit, also know he is right.

They will dismiss him, they will laugh at him, they will ignore him, and then....he will WIN.

[katinmn]

22. They need to be put out to pasture. We have ourselves a thoroughbred

Let Dean go!!

[Atman]

7. I called her.

I said "Please tell Congresswoman Pelosi that her statement about Howard Dean's comments was not helpful. Howard Dean is doing a great job, and Congresswoman Pelosi needs to realize democrats want her standing behind democrats, not echoing the republican's talking points for them."

[Spectral]

11. I like your response

ANd they should be using the airtime to talk about the economy

[cajones_II]

39. Me too

They need to all get on message: Economy and anti-war.
How hard is that?

[Califooyah Operative]

17. they're going to "pass along my...discontent."

[Me.]

43. Called Also

Essentially I said "I just saw the congresswoman on "inside Politics" and would to respectfully request that the congresswoman remember Reagan's 11th commandment and apply it to the democrats. I would like her to stop bashing Dean. There is a huge grassroots movement behind Dean and he reflects our views better then the leadership does." After that I asked her if she needed any info from me, as they often ask where you're from etc. The woman said no and added "But I sure do like your comments"

[MADem]

56. Follow up your astute comments

...with a small check. Even five bucks. Put on the note bit at the lower left hand corner: Because HOWARD DEAN speaks the TRUTH!

Maybe then they will get it--the ones who donate in the offyears are HARD CORE.

And that is US, when ya think about it!!!

[Goldeneye]

8. This f-ing sucks!

Screw success...these guys are doomed to fail. They're idiots. We have the worst president ever and they can't unite behind anything. Not a policy, not a leader, and certainly not a platform.


On a completely different note...if you want to support Dean...this thread was interesting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1837227

[Califooyah Operative]

9. link please/

[Atman]

10. Great graphic, Califooya!

Love it!

[Califooyah Operative]

25. thanks

[Teaser]

12. Sorry

it's there now.

[Califooyah Operative]

14. thanks,

i also came across this one:

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/060805/house.html


I'll be calling pelosi

[Teaser]

28. Props to Sheila Jackson Lee, though.

Mad props.

(from "the hill" article)

One House Democrat, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), rose to Dean’s defense Monday, calling for unity within the party and encouraging him to continue to speak out.

“Chairman Howard Dean deserves our undivided support from the Democratic Party. Now is a time for us to be united in our efforts and speak directly to the people,” Jackson Lee said. “I believe that Chairman Howard Dean emulates values, and should continue to work diligently to spread our message.”

[Spectral]

35. SJL was one of the only votes against the war with Iraq.

I respect her for that and for her backing of Dean under fire.

[politicasista]

47. I like Shelia

:)

[Kolesar]

13. & I would like to know what "statement" this refers to.

:shrug:

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. Nancy Pelosi is the most worthless excuse for a leader I've ever seen

I don't always agree with Harry Reid, but at least the guy is trying.

Pelosi is just another PNAC appeasing gutless poodle whose kid flys around on Enron jets making home movies of the Chimp.

[katinmn]

24. She's comfortable. Doesn't want things to change.

Sure, she chirps up once in a while, but not about change.

[otohara]

18. Oh But The GOP Can Call the Dems Any Ole Nasty

name they can think of and that's Okay!

[jmaier]

19. I agree that some Dem leadership

really needs to be more circumspect about commenting on these comments. At the same time, Gov Dean, feeding us raw meet is not necessarily prudent tent-building politics.

That said, "shiv" is a pretty strong characterization of Rep Pelosi's remarks.

[staticstopper]

23. Kick

:dem: :patriot:

<:banghead: >

[katinmn]

21. She's old school DLC

what can we expect? Sure am tired of these Dems slapping down Dean in public.

[Tommymac]

27. Done. Called and spoke to her office.

Keep up the pressure. It's sad the way that we finally get a spokeman with some spine and the establishment wing of the party disses him.

[Teaser]

29. I think we're getting to her.

Operator let out a sigh when I called and said my piece.

[brentspeak]

31. I called to say "thanks" to Pelosi

I told the person answering the phone that if Republicans are jumping up for joy at Dean's statements and behavior, then something is definitely wrong.

[Clarkie1]

51. Thank you!

I'm glad not everyone here has drunk the kool-aid.

We need to win people over by persuasion and debate. Attacking Christians who are white and and Republican will not win them over to our side.

We need to enlighten potential Democrats, not attack them!

[damntexdem]

32. Spineless Dems!

Meanwhile, Rethugs don't shy from any type of slander of Dems.

[Coastie for Truth]

33. I grew up in a rough and tumble Rust Belt Town

-- and we know that we Dems were the ethnics -- and the Repugs were the "Protestant, Preppy, Princeton...." white guys like our own Dick Thornburgh and Bill Scranton.

As to the Evangelicals --- read Tom Franks "What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America" - they are being used, abused, screwed, -- and now the good jobs are going away because they believed the GOP horse manure that government funded health care is "socialism" (as GM dies).

See the Editorial in yesterday's Times--

, New York Times, June 7, 2005

The United States is rapidly abandoning a longstanding policy aimed at keeping college affordable for all Americans who qualify academically. Thanks to a steep decline in aid to poor and working-class students and lagging state support for the public college systems that grant more than two-thirds of the nation's degrees, record numbers of Americans are being priced out of higher education. This is an ominous trend, given that the diploma has become the minimum price of admission to the new economy.

Greg Winter of The Times reported yesterday that the federal government has rejiggered the formula that determines how much families have to pay out of pocket before they become eligible for the student aid package, which consists of grants and low-interest loans. The new formula, which will save the government about $300 million in federal aid under the Pell program, will cause some lower-income students to lose federal grants entirely. The families of others will have to put up more money before they can qualify for financial aid. Perversely, single-parent households will have to pay more than two-parent households before they become eligible.

The federal Pell Grant program, which is aimed at making college possible for poor and working-class students, has fallen to a small fraction of its former value. The states, meanwhile, have trimmed aid to public colleges, partly as a consequence of soaring Medicaid costs. The states have deepened the problem by shifting need-based tuition to middle-class and upper-class students under the guise of handing out so-called merit scholarships.

The political clamor around the new formula is likely to lead to changes, but they will be aimed at upper-income families who are most able to pay. Tinkering with formulas in Washington will not solve this problem. The nation as a whole has been disinvesting in higher education at a time when college has become crucial to work force participation and to the nation's ability to meet the challenges of global economic competition. Until the country renews its commitment to making college affordable for everyone, the American dream of upward mobility through education will be in danger of dying out.

Who are the winners and who are the losers of that policy.

Howard Dean called them on on the "Southern Strategy Redux 2006"

May not have been politically correct - but as a White Ethnic formerly from a gritty, grimy Rust Belt city - it rang true to me.

[Imagevision]

34. geeeesh!! > they're all starting to sound like a broken record

Compared to the mistakes Bush-Blair & even Kerry have made-- Dean is Saint in my book. Dean refers to Republicans as mainly white christians?

This is the best they can come up with? These "goombah" fellow Democrat Senators aren't experiencing getting their arms-legs and heads blown off due to a phoney war.

They haven't got that knock on the door to tell them the bad news. I believe there's justiffyable reason to feel outspoken and perhaps a wee-bit irate? -- but that's my opinion.

[Teaser]

37. Let them know your opinion.

Call Pelosi.

Don't waste time with the other few monkeys. Pelosi can be corrected.
Biden is past hope.

[genius]

40. This from a woman who backs the Republicans close to half the time.

I think she should lead the undecided party rather than the Democratic Party.

http://patrickhenrythinktank.org/house-scores.html

[genius]

53. Some liberal Democrats are lookinig for a candidate to run against her

in the primary.

[Rainscents]

42. I just called her office and gave her piss of my mind!

[Califooyah Operative]

45. good, thank you. we should be all be calling these reps.

especially hoyer and pelosi, their leadership, they're supposed to unify, no go after other leaders.

[formercia]

44. Pelosi is just miffed because Dean whupped her 'boy'

Tim Roemer, stealth Dominionist and member of the CNP.

[Dr Fate]

46. I would rather her discuss the UK memo. Oh well.

n/t

[Pepperbelly]

48. wtf is wrong with you guys?

Are you so lockstep that you don't think anyone can say anything about Dr. Dean that is critical?

Fuck a duck ... she was extremely restrained and you people see it as a shiv in the back. She said that she thought it wasn't helpful. So what? Holy shit, will you please, for the sake of your own health and that of the party, get a grip?

[Clarkie1]

49. I'll tell her I agree!

Dean is doing many great things as chairman, but that doesn't mean what he said yesterday was helpful to expanding the party's base.

[GreenPartyVoter]

50. Big surprise

[Freddie Stubbs]

52. 'Shivs?'

Did it happen in the cafeteria, the exercise yard, or the cellblock?

[Ksec]

54. this quasi attitude of Pelosi is why we lose

Get a clue lady. We listened to you people before and it got us nothing but failure

[Carolab]

58. Nancy, helpful to WHOM?

It was HONEST and it was HELPFUL to the party, by HELPING to identify a major problem with the Republican party that the Democrats don't have--the Republicans are NOT AN INCLUSIVE PARTY!!!!

Nancy, read the DEMOGRAPHICS of who supports Bush! You'll find that it's just as Chairman Dean says.

Do YOU find that kind of exclusivity "HELPFUL"?

Nancy Pelosi looks and acts like freaking pod person. She just seems DENSE and EMPTY to me.

[caligirl]

60. I'd like to vote against her, but she isn't in my district.

[caligirl]

59. Hey Bunny I borrowed your words and made a contribution too.

When Republicans stop lying about Democrats, we'll stop telling telling the truth about them.:yourock:

[thebigidea]

61. shouldn't she be going after Delay? There was blood in the water.

we had an opening, and now it seems to have passed. They should've kept hammering away at Delay - nowadays the only news you see about him are benefits and tributes to his oiliness.