Can The Hillary Machine Be Stopped????

[ChiciB1]

From reading so many posts here at DU, I get the feeling that WE aren't actually on the band wagon for her. I know I'm not. I think it would be a disaster, but it seems EVERY week now we are hearing more and more about her campaign.

This AM on C-Span they even started naming names of those who will run the campaign. Yesterday C-Span posed the question about her running. There is NOW a "Friends of Hillary" group taking donations.

I think we can do much better, that's just MY opinion. I think she carries too much baggage and I find she's been courting conservatives a lot lately. This could all just be a plan, but it makes me uncomfortable.

The Repukes are just salivating at the thought of her being the candidate. I just can't go there.

[ewagner]

1. It was done

on the Daily Show last night too.....

I can't believe it...the media itself is pushing Hillary.

[Warpy]

12. The media are. The party aint

meaning the rank and file Democrats who are showing up at Meetups and are heartily sick of the DLC and their idiotic fiction that the only people worth talking to are yuppies.

They're trying to rehabilitate Hillary so they can affect the elections and keep their monopolies intact. Don't fall for it. Don't let anyone you know fall for it.

Clinton is fine where she is, representing the biggest concentration of yuppies on the planet (Lieberman's district is a close second).

We've got to stand up to the propaganda machine come primary time. We've got to run nearly ANYONE but Clinton. We've got to find a way to destroy the corporate media monopoly.

Only then can we start to get our country back.

[salvorhardin]

41. Excuse me

Just a small reminder. New York is an awfully big state and most of it is above Yonkers. Even downstate there aren't so many yuppies, a lot of them just happen to work in Manhattan.

[Adelante]

100. "biggest concentration of yuppies on the planet"

Complete nonsense. If she only had the yuppie vote in New York State, or even New York City, which is where I think you must be pointing, she'd never have been elected at all. New York City has five boroughs and four of them are middle and working class. New York State has county after county after county of rural poor. Guess what? They like Hillary Clinton. Go figure.

[rodeodance]

2. do not count me in your 'we'

[ChiciB1]

4. It Was Just A Term I Used...

Wasn't counting ALL OF US. I'm sure she has many here who support her. I just don't.

[juajen]

98. I just do, too

I like the Lady, and her First Gentleman ain't bad either.

[SaveElmer]

3. Don't count me in either...I am a Hillary supporter

In my opinion she is probably the strongest candidate we could put up, and I will be supporting her if she runs!

[ElectroPrincess]

46. You will be awfully lonely. Hillary is a pretender - a republocrat.

The rank and file Democrats think she's a joke. The so called leadership in the Democratic Party can not make this work. We can't stand her DISHONESTY nor her schmoozing with the right wing.

[wyldwolf]

99. which rank and file Democrats do you speak of?

Do you have some sort of poll (CNN? Gallup?) that says the "rank and file Democrats think she's a joke?"

[BlueIris]

5. I'm proud to be part of the 'WE.'

It just won't work. The sooner we stop deluding ourselves that it can, the better.

[skypilot]

6. "too much baggage"

OK, someone has to tell me what this means. That is at least the fourth time in a week that I have heard her described this way. What does that mean? Don't all politicians have baggage of one kind or another?

[babylonsister]

9. I think her baggage would be Bill primarily. nt

[skypilot]

13. You know, that's what I thought.

And I think it's kinda shitty to hold that against her. Bill's foibles are Bill's foibles and she shouldn't get smeared with whatever brush he is getting smeared with.

[kenny blankenship]

23. Many women hate her

Many women hate her because I suppose she let Bill cheat on her for years, and that's letting the team down.

You would have to bet against a Democratic Party candidate for President that is hated by so many women. Women tend to be surprisingly unforgiving towards Hillary. Anything that erodes the gender gap bias towards Democrats is fatal. Swing voting males would probably shun her too (shun her more than a male with the same policy positions). But they would be driven from Hillary for different reasons than those which will cost her Soccer-Mom support: men in the mushy middle always tend to be more susceptible (than their wives) to conservative (non-rational) equations of laissez-faire economics and a rampant military with masculine "virtue", and they generally go along with the characterization of all liberal impulses as weak and feminine. Hillary's (undeserved perhaps) reputation as an arch-liberal ,and her gender needless to say, would play right into these pathologically irrational attitudes among swing voters, male and female. She would tend to lose some voters (women) who should be practically pre-sold on a Democrat, and fail to pick up some (men) who should be persuadable. In short, Hillary Clinton is one of the few candidates we could put up that would make a Bill Frist Presidency possible without cheating.

[MsTryska]

74. Here's the thing tho....

what you feel is the right thing and what i might feel is the right thing doesn't mean squat.


Only what karl Rove and his ilk, and the media lapdogs who serve them matters.



And Hillary can mean only one thing - sustained hardcore smearing with vicious swipes for months on end because they've go t12 years worth of material to work with.


I have nothing against Hillary and in another time she'd be great - but right now she is only a Pawn int he great Republican takeover.


We shouldn't be giving them the material.


And frankly for the first time in nearly a quarter century - I want soemone who isn't from the Dueling Houses in office. Soemone not named Bush, soemone Not named Clinton - someone who hasn't served in either of their Cabinets - new blood.

[vi5]

17. Yeah, being married to a president who left office....

hugely popular and who survived countless manufactured scandals and attacks, and who presided over 8 years of relative peace and prosperity.

Talk about an anchor around her neck.

I'm not even a Hillary fan in the least, but I think Bill would be the least of her baggage.

[babylonsister]

21. I love Bill! I'm just saying that there are many

people who abhor him for the Monica debacle regardless of how good/great a president he was. And she will probably be tarnished with the same brush regardless of deserving it or not.

[paulk]

44. after 8 years of war and recession

the eight years of peace and prosperity under Clinton might not be seen as baggage.

[CWebster]

45. Thousands of Iraqis died under Clinton--mostly children

As Michael Moore said, "He is the best Republican president we ever had".

[paulk]

47. who would you prefer as president?

Bill Clinton or GW Bush?

Are you trying to say that Clinton's presidency was as bad as Bush's?

What are you trying to say ?

[Selatius]

72. No, but it wasn't rainbows and butterflies either

Comparatively speaking, Clinton's years in office were much more peaceful, nevermind the bombing campaigns over Iraq and his extension of the no-fly zones over half the country, but in my opinion, the people deserved better, at least as far as, for example, the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and NAFTA. (The least Clinton could have done was attempt to have it nullified) Oh, let's not get into the issue of Rwanda either. I wasn't asking for direct US involvement in stopping that genocide, but the least he could've done was call it genocide in order to invoke the Security Council into getting states in the region to at least try to stop the deaths.

If I were forced to choose between Clinton and Bush, I'd choose Clinton, but in life it's usually not either-or. As a result, I'd realistically have the third option: None of the above. (The nature of the Electoral College is for another discussion)

[rodeodance]

48. YES--that has to be the IMAGE that is projected by the DEMS!!

[Alpharetta]

37. Her baggage with me is the Iraq War Resolution vote

Senator Byrd said for Congress to grant open-ended war powers to the White House was a deriliction of Congressional duties.

He also said the war was a stupid-ass idea, probably would escalate hostilities in the region, and the WMD evidence was non-existent.

Hillary could have stood with the courageous. Instead, she took the "pragmatic" approach. By "pragmatic" I mean the chicken-hearted, spineless, political, cynical, and traitorious abdication of duties to protect America from Bush and his regime.

[realFedUp]

55. and could have Kerry....

and many others who didn't quite have
the prescience we did.

[Alpharetta]

62. Kerry damaged his presidential hopes with the same lack of courage

His IWR vote, in my opinion, was the single largest failure of his candidacy to distinguish him from Bush.

It wasn't prescience which drove Byrd. It was duty.

[yourout]

7. There is a reason the Pukes want her to run.....

they know they can't lose if she runs. She is the worst possible choice.

[driver8]

58. I agree...she is a terrible choice

A lot of middle 'Merka hates the Clintons; add to that the fact that she is a woman (I know, shouldn't matter...but it does) and Hillary is toast.

No way, no how can she win. I cannot see any repukes "on the fence" voting for her.

[losdiablosgato]

87. I agree 100% Hillary is the worst choose we could make. Period.

[babylonsister]

8. Another point of view:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3754703&mesg_id=3754703&page=

[beyurslf]

10. Friends of Hillary has been active since she ran for the Senate.

It is the fund she uses to give money to OTHER candidates and help DEMOCRATS across the country. I have been a member for years.

I fully support HRC for President in 2008. I am glad to see others here who do as well. I know that many on here hate her almost as much as the right wing does; however, I am sure many closet supporters exist here. Stand up and say it folks! Don't be shy!

HILLARY 2008!

[jaxx]

30. Ok I support Hillary for 2008

I was hoping in 2004 too. As for the baggage, I have a theory. They've already ripped the feathers out of the Clinton's mattress, so how many surprises can be left? Let her run. I think she scares the pants off the pubs, which is why they are badmouthing her and saying she'll lose. She's smart and tough, and they know it.

[Donna Zen]

56. Disagreeing is very different from "hate"

I disagree with the war in Iraq. Unlike Hillary, I think it is the worse disaster that this country has ever entered into. Worse than Vietnam.

Rewarding the people who stood up, told the truth, and took the risk, is how we get more people to stand up. Giving my vote to those who "sold out" our country, ruined our reputation in the world, stood by and said nothing while innocent people died, is to be part of this useless charade--an enabler. Tony Blair and Hillary Clinton are two peas in pod.

Do I hate them: no.

But supporting and thus rewarding them, will mean more of the same. Afterall, why listen to the base, when Hillary and those like her can turn her back on you, and you'll come crawling for more.

"Syria needs to be punished." (Hillary Clinton)

In answer to the thread: No. This has been a done ($$$$$) deal for a long time.

[Dogmudgeon]

11. Relax, everybody

This kind of thing is S.O.P. around the mid-point of any presidential cycle. The party out of power trots out the Glamor Candidate while the serious candidates jockey for position and test-drive campaign issues.

It's part of the political culture. It shouldn't be part of anyone's ulcer.

--p!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

97. Mid-point?

:freak:

[liberal N proud]

14. Most of the rhetoric about her running is being generated on the right

they want to create the allusion that she is running so the New Yorkers will not re-elect her in 06.
Friends of Hillary has been around for a while.
I wouldn't worry about it if I were you, But if she does run, I can think of worse.

[second edition]

33. Like who? n/t

[bullimiami]

15. W is a disaster, Hillary would be at least sane and reasonable.

The bushbots care nothing for anyone but themselves and powerful buddies. They would destroy the world in their crusade for more power and wealth.

Hillary has some sort of balance and some human compassion.

I say any step back from the brink of disaster is a step in the right direction, or would you rather have jeb instead?

[cornfedyank]

34. unless th '06 elections show a trend shift.. it does not matter

the sheeple for whatever reason are not putting the same value on "sane and reasonable" the same as you and I.

[second edition]

35. I want my president to be more than sane and reasonable! n/t

[madrchsod]

16. hillary for president?

every republicans wet dream. i would never vote for her and neither would the majority of the american people

[beyurslf]

20. And in 2008 when she and Bill Frist are your choices, you will be

voting for whom?

[second edition]

36. I may wear a button that says-Don't blame me, I didn't vote! n/t

[TheFarseer]

65. Definitely third party

If I was in a swing state, *maybe* Hillary

[AntiCoup2K4]

75. Who do the Greens have?

I will not vote for a right wing appeasing PNAC sellout whose only "qualification" for the Presidency is that she's married to a guy who used to have the job.

[losdiablosgato]

88. Green Party

[zalinda]

22. Actually, according to a recent poll

that's not true. I wish I could remember where I saw it, but I can't, but it said that 53% of those polled would vote for her. They intimated that it was all Americans and not just dems. But, I think it's true that it's mostly the right that is putting her out there. They think that they can easily win if she were running. I think they are hoping if they say it enough, it will be true.

zalinda

[ChiciB1]

25. My Point... So Do We Debunk??

And if we do.... HOW?

[beyurslf]

43. I remember that. It was ALL people not just Dems. She even got 33%

of self identified conservatives votes.

[MsTryska]

78. Who did the polling?

how was the Poll constructed?

who funded it?



important questions to ask.

to me this stuff about Hillary is just so much propaganda.

[realFedUp]

18. She's an obvious choice

Why deny her a campaign just coz people are
afraid of Rethuglican's ire...it seems to me
they've thrown everything and the kitchen
sink at the Clintons while they were in office.

[forgethell]

19. I don't think it can be.

Not in the primaries. Hilary will be the Democratic nominee. She will be crushed in the general election as she has too much baggage. That's my opinion, at this time.

[apple_ridge]

24. The RW media is creating a false demand for her to run so that

it would make the Repukes job easier in 2008. There is so much hatred for her that they would barely need to cheat with BBV to win.

She needs to stay right where she is.

[raccoon]

83. I strongly agree

I might consider her, but I believe there are lots of people out there who have a problem with her because she's smart and she's a woman.

[karynnj]

26. There's something I'm missing

Although I've read many inside politics / inside Washington accounts of how there is a developing Hillary band wagon. What I have heard less about is what issues Hillary is talking about that may become the nucleus of her campaign raison d'etre.

I heard vaguely that she was working with Gingrich on a medical technology issue (nothing I read explained it in detail, but it seemed to be computerizing medical info). I know that she Boxer and Kerry have a proposed bill to clean up elections. I've heard her comments on Iraq, where she was more complimentary to Bush on the day of their election than Kerry who cautioned that there was much that had to be done. Has she given any "signature" speech that defines who she is?

[theboss]

38. She is beginning to position herself

She is positioning herself as a pro-military, anti illegal immigration, socially liberal deficit hawk. And she is building a real resume.

It's pretty fascinating to watch.

[second edition]

39. Not that I have heard about!

She seems to keep a very low profile on issues and those she does speak about are very middle of the road. She apparently is trying to not offend anyone in my opinion by not come across as an obstructionist. Notice, not much on Bolton,the Nuclear Option,and the conservative judges,and where is her outrage over the budget deficit,the Bankruptcy Bill,Terri Shavio and how about Tom Delay, just to mention a few things. My biggest concern about Hillary is who she really is and what she really stands for.

[karynnj]

53. It's weird she is incredibly well known

but little is known about her real goals. It may be that she will come out with ideas and goals that will be used first in her 2006, then in a Presidential run. It will be interesting to see what she chooses to run on.

From my own perspective, I thought I knew that she was the more libral of the Clintons. I think that she naively bit off more than she could chew when she worked on her health care proposal. She was brilliant in answering Congressional questions, but the plan itself seemed both cumbersome and unpassable. It does however position her as a liberal. Since she's been in the Senate, I've heard she's influencial, but I've never heard specific issues that are hers. In fairness, she's been in the minority for almost all of her time in the Senate. She does seem to be defining herself as more centrist.

I certainly don't question her intelligence, but I do question what accomplishments she has other than being the former first lady. Staying quiet on significant controversial issues simply confounds this.

[TheFarseer]

68. As far as I can tell

the only thing she stands for is Hillary Clinton becoming president. The rest is negotiable.

[firefox]

27. People should be concerned about 2006

A good way to trip yourself is thinking about the step after the next one.

In 2008 America will be so sick of Iraq, the debt, and the economy that those that supported the war are going to have an uphill battle no matter how much the fascist machine tries to find someone acceptable. And I will remind everyone that Hillary is a drug warrior, which means she is already unacceptable to me and others like me that understand the implications of such a perverse attitude.

[melv]

28. Hillary has the chops

If you say nothing else about Hillary, you must say this. She has been through the worst of it and came out on the other side elected senator. Without passing judgement on her performance either way, you must admit. She can handle whatever the Repug machine can dish out.

[second edition]

40. She ran for that senate seat against a dismal repub candidate! n/t

[springhill]

29. All I can say is......

I hope so. There are so many others better than she.

[Katidid]

31. In the words of my sister, who has been a Democrat for 40+

years "She must be smoking something if she really thinks she can win the Presidential election."

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

50. I will not count her out.

[second edition]

32. I'm not a "Hillary" supporter either.

I dread the thought of her running. I can't even figure out why she is so popular-it has got to be her husband. I suppose there is this assumption that she can win based on the goodwill toward her husband. I would like to know why people think she would make a good president though. I welcome the elevation of a woman as President of the U.S.. I just don't think Hillary deserves the honor. As a woman, I'm just not going to vote for her because she is a woman.

[FrenchieCat]

42. Blame it on the Corporate Media.....

They've had her running even before we could vote for John Kerry.

Don't underestimate the power of the press to tell us what to do.

They report, they decide.

It's called the inevitability avalanche. They talk, they poll, they talk about the poll, and then they poll again.

The Corporate Media is holding our Free Press hostage. Until we can release our media from the 5 Corporate owners, we are truly f*cked!

Although I have yet to hear why I should vote for Hillary Clinton, I hear that I should want to vote for her. It's not that I have anything against Hillary, and we could do much worse....but the kind of pressure being exerted for us to get on the bandwagon truly feels like a gun to the back. In a Democracy, this phenomenon is just plain too doggone starkly authoritarian! I, for one, f*cking resent the hell out of all of those media pundits pushing her into my face.

[election_2004]

49. Here's an alternative....

I know that a lot of people here like the possibilities of Wes Clark or Mark Warner as an "anti-Hillary," but here's another option...

http://www.lincoln2008.com

Blanche Lincoln has balanced core Democratic issues with the concerns of moderates and her more conservative constituents, while remaining strong on rural issues and defense/military strength.

Plus she could charm the ears off a donkey.

[sellitman]

101. She votes for War and the Un-Patriot Act.

No thanks!

[election_2004]

102. Well.....

I don't agree with her votes on those issues.

But overall, when you look at the entire package, in a General Election for president, Blanche would appeal to a lot more people than Hillary would.

[sellitman]

104. We have been trying to "appeal" to the middle for too long.

Time to return to our roots. I'm not talking 3rd party....I'm talking about a more Liberal Democrat. It's high time to make "conservative" a dirty word instead.

[Ksec]

51. i doubt it

shes a political animal

she knows , as did bill, that you have to ruffle some feathers to make soup.

shes your next president .

[ElectroPrincess]

52. Oh please, this ain't The Washington Times you know :(

On Edit: She's so smarmy to me, I'd not vote if she was running in the general election.

[Ksec]

54. i just told you whats happening

if you dont like it, dont vote.

thats your right.

anyone who understands politics today should know that if she pisses you off, then thats whats shes trying to do.

[billbuckhead]

57. Clinton nostalgia will be unstoppable

Throw a brick at Hillary and a concrete block will come flying come back. She's just tougher than all the rest. I think she will get a good many conservative votes because they respect her toughness and professionalism.

[ElectroPrincess]

60. That makes her a perfect pretender not a democrat.

Thanks I won't vote if she runs ... The Democratic Party will have left the rank and file people of this country to be a gentler supporter of multi-national corporations.

On Edit: You folks are fellow Democrats. This is just sad. Sad :(

[AntiCoup2K4]

79. Bush tries to piss me off every day. And usually succeeds.

Does that mean I should have voted for him?

[Donna Zen]

89. Sounding clever and having insight

Two very different things.

Hillary has decided with whom she does business and who she cares about. That's all. AIPAC and the war-toy boys.

When we needed a voice, she decides to be their voice.

Fine.

The republicans understand that their party is made up of people who need at least some respect for their ideas. I may not agree with those ideas, but I sort of envy people who have a party that cares what they think.

Hillary cares about Hillary. If that is what you think is "smart" then fine.

[smartvoter]

59. I seriously doubt it can be. She's got the $$$ and press advantages. nt

[demokatgurrl]

61. With all due respect, we could NOT do much better-

we will almost certainly do worse, whether we elect a Democrat or a Reublican. She's one of the most qualified people in this country for the job. She's brilliant, both intellectually and politically. She's tough. She has an understanding of domestic and foreign issues.

As much as we need her, we don't deserve her.

[CWebster]

63. Sure, if she plans to run on the R ticket

That would be great because it would re-define the center. Now, if only she would cross that line where she belongs. :evilgrin:

Problem, is what defines the sides is barely the issue.

It is a sad commentary that so many hop aboard any media manufactured bandwagon without casting a jaudiced eye to the intent of past bandwagons.

[election_2004]

66. What are her accomplishments?

What has she actually DONE, legislatively, that makes her more qualified than any other Democrat in Congress?

[second edition]

69. We don't deserve her?

I personally don't think our country is calling out for the likes of Hillary. Others have a more extended knowledge of domestic and foreign issues-like her husband. Are some people trying to elect her in order to have Bill back again? I think we need a totally fresh start- no Bush's no Clinton's.

[AntiCoup2K4]

80. Most qualified??????????

How in the HELL is she qualified at all? She's a freshman senator with no prior experience. Please stop deluding yourselves.

[LeftCoast]

64. I'm torn at the prospect of Hillary

First of all, I feel our best candidate comes out of a fair and open primary system. So, if she can make it through the process (and assuming it's fair) I'll support her.

I am thrilled with the possibility that we (Dems) might elect the first female president, and the fact that nostalgia for the good ol' times of the 90s would be an amazing asset for her.

That having been said, it bothers me that three years out it seems she (and Kerry, Clark, et al) is trying to capture the nomination. Three years in politics is an eternity. Let's focus on '06. We've got plenty of time to deal with '08 after that.

[election_2004]

67. first female president

I think that Democrats could very well end up electing our country's first female president in 2008...it just might not necessarily be Hillary.

http://www.lincoln2008.com

Dark horse candidates have emerged before (Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton).

[LeftCoast]

70. I get "connection refused" when I try to click that link

:shrug:

[election_2004]

71. Hmmm...

That's strange, because it works fine on my computer.

Maybe try typing it in manually?

[LeftCoast]

73. Hmm...works now!

Thanks for the link!

[AntiCoup2K4]

81. Total DLC puppet. Not Presidential material!

http://www.lincoln2008.com/nov9.html

[emcguffie]

76. I wonder if it's a set-up.

I wonder if there's something going on somewhere to get her nominated, because THEY think she would be easy to beat. Just like I think they pretended to want Dean to run, while in fact they were terrified of him. That is just my opinion.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

77. Clinton-Bush Families in White House

The American Way Since 1980.

They picked Kerry, they will pick Hillary.

Dont listen.

[bvar22]

82. It is NOT the Republicans or The Media that want Hillary...

It is the people who OWN the Republicans, and the people who OWN the Media that want want Hillary to be the Dem nominee. The people who OWN the Republicans and the Media also OWN Hillary, and that would make 2008 a SURE THING for them.

These people couldn't care less about:

* who owns a gun,

*who does or doesn't get an abortion,

*who does or doesn't get married,

*what church your god belongs to,

*whether or not a picture of the 10Commandments is in the Supreme Court,

The people who OWN the Republicans, the Media, and the DLC are PERFECTLY HAPPY to have the differences between the TWO parties decided on the ABOVE issues.

The people who OWN the Republicans, the Media, and the DLC (Hillary) only care about the continued migration of WEALTH and POWER into the hands of a SMALL GROUP through the destruction of ORGANIZED LABOR and the MIDDLE CLASS!

The people who OWN the Republicans, OWN Media, and OWN the DLC (Hillary) support Hillary for 2008 because it is a SURE WIN for them no matter who wins the election.

[ChiciB1]

84. Unfortunately... That's Why I Have So Many Concerns...

She seems to be riding along with them. THEY want her to be nominated, NOT elected. Then THEY can say WE picked ANOTHER loser!!

Hillary seems to have changed, but THEY won't let ONE thing pass them by! Again, we have BETTER candidates, and we don't need to keep going from Bush to Clinton, to Bush to Clinton. It doesn't sell for me.

So even though we have to worry about 2006 FIRST, I'm getting a little too worried about all the HILLARY Hype. There are many out there who don't blog here, who don't discuss anything very much and will simply go for her because of what they felt about Bill.

I just think we have to "move" on this to some extent BEFORE it gets too far ahead of us. I want to win in 2008, AND if MSM keeps this up too many people will simply say they'll go with her because they think she can win.... because MSM told them so!

[election_2004]

95. You summed it up perfectly

They couldn't get Gore to run again in 2004, and they couldn't rig the primaries in favor of Lieberman in 2004.

So now Hillary is their only hope to stir up some manufactured frenzy of "excitement."

I say it's time we crash their party.

[CWebster]

85. Funny how this thread and

this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1821866&mesg_id=1821866

are running simultaneously.

[ComerPerro]

86. The Hillary Machine? Is that the machine

That has been logging in to DU for the past few years under various screen names and posting various right-wing conspiracy theories about Hillary running for present?

If so, I hope it can be stopped.

[rndmprsn]

90. can we PLEASE worry about 2006 first?

no offense to anyone, but i'm so tired of these threads pushing or conversely smearing a dem candidate for the 08 race...if we don't make some gains in 06...08 will just be that much harder etc.

[Disturbed]

91. The Oligarchy is setting up the Dems....again.

The big money behind the RW and their Media are trying to throw her '06 Senate elelction so that if she loses it throws her '08 chances out. Never underestimate the enemey that is not in the public light.

[ChiciB1]

93. This Seems To Be A Topic Of Interest... Regardless

of whether it's TOO early. Just posted at another thread that was conducting a poll.

My point is that even though we DO have many issues to deal with NOW, and 2006 is VERY important, I don't want the "mantra" to go out to millions of others who will simply go along with whoever the nominee is. If the RW OR MSM is pushing this, we need to let it be known HOW many of us here at DU feel.

I say NO, to Hillary!

[cestpaspossible]

92. As a matter of fact, that's what 'Friends of Hillary' is for...

[amandabeech]

94. If we are at war in the Middle East in 2008, and have not been

attacked in the interim, people will be so sick of it that the way to win will be with a candidate that didn't vote to get us into the mess in the first place.

If that is the case, then her competitors in the primaries will show highlights of her recent speech to AIPAC in all the primary states. She seems to want to take on all comers. That speech will be even more damning if the recent developments in the Franklin/AIPAC spy case turn into a Pollard-type scandal.

Bill Clinton went out with a high favorability rating, but I think that enough independents will have a hard time seeing him back in the White House that they might stay home, current polls notwithstanding.

If Hillary is the nominee, I will support her. However, it is too soon to commit to any candidate.

As other posters have said, we must focus on 2006, and work to take back Congress and the State Legislatures, where redistricting will take place after the 2010 census.

[Neshanic]

96. A short Kerry in drag. That's no machine, its a product. Buy me.

[LittleClarkie]

103. Horsehockey!

Kerry is much more liberal than Hillary. Her Goldwater Republican roots are showing.

[ChiciB1]

105. Just Checked This Out Again And...

I MUST take offense here. IMHO, Hillary and Kerry are NOT even close to each other. What I've seen of Hillary lately has made me do a double-take. No matter the machinations, the strategy before the storm, I feel left out in the cold by her actions these days.

The cry to focus on 2006 is indeed extremely important, but it's ALSO extremely important to those of us who are NOT in the Hillary camp to stop the daily drum-beat and the propping up of her as our "savior"! To those of you who haven't seen the way she's being put forth as our nominee on a weekly basis I just say, watch a little closer. MSM is bound to have some affect, thus in effect sounding a "calling of arms" to the anointed one of the Democratic Party... Hillary Clinton.

Think about how many millions out there who loved Bill, who will simply get on the band-wagon by his name recognition. I just don't support it, and I don't feel she is our best candidate. Hopefully, if she abandons her quest for the Presidency, she can remain an effective Senator from New York.

Just MY opinion.