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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:35 AM
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Why I think Bush won't let us have stem cell research
It's obvious, if stem cell research led to cures for cancer, diabetes, etc., the Pharmaceutical companies, Dr.'s and hospitals would suffer greatly!
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:41 AM
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1. Nope, I don't buy that argument
The vast majority of doctors will always welcome any research that leads to improvement in health care and the ability to treat formerly untreatable diseases and disorders.

And I'm dubious that pharmaceuticals would be opposed either. New research inevitably leads to new technology or drugs that they can sell.

No, the motivation behind Bush's opposition is his desire to appease the Religious Right.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:49 AM
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3. I believe you are wrong
if you cure say diabetes then the drug/insurance companies lose BILLION per year.

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 08:30 AM
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12. do some research..
.... on diabetes treatment and what the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation has done to suppress/co-opt it.

Diabetes is a huge cash cow business, and the pharmas are not going to let that go without a fight.

I used to believe that medical treatment was above the shenanigans that go on in other industries such as price fixing and restraint of trade.

I have a friend who has recently embarked on a new career as a medical coder (insurance codes). The stuff he's telling me would curl your hair. The AMA is basically a union for doctors, and they will fight anyone and anything that threatens their price structure.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:47 AM
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2. Bingo
that is the real reason as with everything with * it is about $$$$$$
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:53 AM
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4. this link will explain it all.. Dead scientists slain by Pharmaceuticals.?
Edited on Fri May-27-05 05:59 AM by sam sarrha
http://www.rense.com/general39/death.htm

sounds like the * crime family is supporting the wrong people again..
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:57 AM
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5. It's all about getting votes and opposing the Democrats.
As much as I hate him he is loyal to his constituency. He also doesn't have any compassion for the sick so that makes it easy for him.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:05 AM
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7. got the link to work in the previous post.. it is money, but a conspiracy
to prevent the pill companies from losing control of the medical research industry. presently they prevent any research on "CURES", they want to charge you rent on your next breath.. NOT CURE YOU !!

the problem is that they are not doing a very god job..
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:00 AM
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6. Yep, I do buy that argument
I was watching a piece on it just the other night.

The reporter was talking about how there is private funding for

stem cell research.

They also talked about how many American scientists were working

other countries that do allow it.

The end of the report the reporter commented on how private funding

could be a draw back.

Who ever funds the research when break throughs are made, owns the

rights and can charge what ever they want.

So, its a win win for the administration, while they look good to

the religious right, for fighting it, they also help their corporate

handlers to reap huge profits.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:25 AM
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8. Rethugs are crafty and ammoral.
"So, its a win win for the administration, while they look good to
the religious right, for fighting it, they also help their corporate
handlers to reap huge profits."

That's it.
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olacan Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:59 AM
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9. As I
understand the issue Stem cell research can go on it just will not be funded by Federal funds.
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:24 AM
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11. That's the point!
If the private sector is doing the research...THEY PROFIT! We pay for the research when we pay for drugs and treatment.

They are extremely crafty. Not only does big business profit, but they have convinced the religious right that stem cells are living beings so...thou shalt not kill! Pandering to the religious right will get them elected. The fact that republicans are supporting stem cell research may put a chink in their perfect plan.

The reason that marijuana has not been legalized is because there is no way for the pharmaceuticals to make any money. We wouldn't need them, we could grow it ourselves. The Bushies can't have anyone benefiting without paying a price.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:01 AM
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10. Who will do the "curing"?
Why, doctors. And they'll get paid for it. Most doctors really do care about their patients.

But we shouldn't rely on the pharmacological industry to do all medical research. It really is profit driven. Funding both basic research & clinical trials could be done with our tax dollars, if less was spent on insane wars & taxcuts for the rich.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 08:37 AM
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13. You are on to something, but this could be easily changed.
The pharmaceutical companies, as the laws stand now, will not want to fund stem-cell research because it is incredibly expensive for them and yields NO CURRENT PROFIT. Right now, they are not solidly behind it--but they could be made to be.

All it takes is to reinstate the restrictions of the advertising of RX drugs.

Right now, the pharmies concentrate their research into making the "little purple pill" a once a day drug at three times the cost of the twice a day pill; that sort of thing.

Significant pharmaceutical research is happening outside the country. Injectible insulin has been made far more effective in the last 10 years than ever before, but it all happened in Europe.

As annoying as the ads for RX drugs are, they are causing severe harm to the overall health of the nation.

Pestrict RX drug advertising, and Big Pharma WILL pay for research to sustain themselves.

Not likely to happen, though.
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