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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:50 AM
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Poll question: Who would be best to replace Reid.?
Now that Reid has sold out his own state and many others by giving us bigots and anti-employee nutcases and pollution-lovers for life, the question is who is the best choice to replace him if we can convince him to do the right thing and step down. Harkin and Boxer are tied for the two highest voting scores this year. http://patrickhenrythinktank.org/sen-scores.html
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:52 AM
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1. Reid is doing the best he can
with the caucus he has.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:57 AM
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7. He sold us out for nothing. We have Bush to do that. Why do we need Reid?
With all the bad guys ready to destroy this country why do we need to give them helpers. We need to dump Reid and mainstain him on baby food until we his time is up and we can replace him with a Democrat.
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chopper Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:31 AM
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45. asdf
how about we wait before calling for reid's head on a platter?

with the way frist is foaming at the mouth about the filibuster deal, he might just screw the pooch on the whole deal and drive such a big wedge into the GOP..if he goes nuclear, and the GOP 7 side with the dems (that's at least 51 votes), he'll lose, bad. real bad.

in that case, reid will have pulled off a spectacular gambit, for the leader of a party that started with what, 43 votes?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:52 AM
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2. Reid does not need to be replaced
your rhetoric is inflammatory and highly subjective.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:56 AM
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5. Right on! Reid is doing just fine.
Everybody take a deep breath, it isn't over yet.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:59 AM
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8. Why don't you marry Brown? They should spay Brown and Owen and Reid
and then put them all together in a nice dog kennel. I'm furious as are millions of Democrats. Those who want to roll over and thank them for screwing us can do so. But I think our party can do a lot better.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:19 AM
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16. Uhm..uhm..oh I know!..."I Know You Are But What Am I?"
HA! I got you!

Now where's an 8 year old so that I can have a meaningful conversation?
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:53 AM
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3. If there is any chance of Boxer
running in '08 I would have to go with Harkin. I love the guy too.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:55 AM
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4. This poll isn't constructive
Reid is doing the best job he can with a minority in the Senate--certainly better than Daschle ever did. The Democrats are going to fight the Republic power grab, and are willing to filibuster. What's your problem?

By the way, your username is very ironic.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:00 AM
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9. He could have stopped all business in the Senate.
I was looking forward to that. It would have saved the courts.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:14 AM
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14. Let's save it the the Supreme Court, m'kay? (nt).
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:22 AM
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17. We just lost the Supreme Court. That's when they'll use the option now
and we won't have time to shut down the Senate because we'll be too busy licking Frist's feet.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:20 AM
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31. a lot more people will pay attention when its the supreme court
and the repugs will be even more reluctant to change the rules with that spotlight. The moderates (and I use that term reluctantly) on the repug side have sent a message to the White House that the next Supreme Court nominee has to be within the mainstream.

onenote
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:57 AM
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60. yes, and thats when they will say
we broke the agreement, and then look halfway justified in using the nuclear option.

they will flush the rules down the toilet and blame it on us.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:19 AM
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30. no, it would've harmed the Democrats badly
The average person doesn't give a rats ass about the filibuster issue. They don't see the world the way activists do. But what they would see is a group of "rich politicians" getting paid for not doing their jobs. And they would be pissed. The repugs would make a big deal about pushing various pieces of legislation and either the Democrats would cave or they would look bad in the eyes of the public.

Slowing down the Senate might feel good for about 3 minutes -- sort of like "taking your ball and going home". But after a while, you're still sitting at home with your ball, and everyone else is moving on.

onenote

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chopper Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:34 AM
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46. uh...
stopping all business in the senate may have made you happy, but it would have made the whole party look like a bunch of whiny chumps.

i think reid is smarter than you think..
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:07 AM
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12. gee, i agree with you on something...
i stayed away for a few hours but it hasn`t gotten any better. the democrats here think the party are either are traitors or they are genius`s.
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rotwang Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:56 AM
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6. Reid V Boxer?
A strong woman from the LARGEST state in the union, verses a little Neville Chamberlain from one of the SMALLEST states? My vote is with Boxer. I an a native Californian and don't even like her that much, but compared to the wet blanket fundimentalist Reid she is TNT!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:04 AM
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53. Get your facts straight...
For your information -- and it is clear you are uniformed -- Nevada is one of the LARGEST STATES. (http://www.yellowpages.state.mn.us/mnyp/yellowpages.nsf/0/298f8770d8b4fa7f86256b1f00589d08?OpenDocument) In fact, it is the seventh largest state in the union... Furthermore, Harry Reid is doing a fine job, and if you think shutting down the Senate would have been helpful to the Democrats you have another thing coming. Doing so would have only served to give the Republicans the ability to further vilify the Democrats nationally. I don't like the deal but it could be a whole hell of a lot worst.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:31 AM
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58. Uh...I think the poster meant population. Land doesn't vote
Edited on Wed May-25-05 10:34 AM by ISUGRADIA
Though I agree with your defense of Reid. He's doing well with a bad hand. Some people's tactics of extremism would get us down to 30 Senate seats.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:02 AM
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61. I agree with you, except...
But I think he meant geographical area, because the population of Nevada is actually mid-range for the United States. People typically refer to population specifically if that is what they're talking about. Besides, Nevada is not a small state population wise. It is actually ranked number 35 with a population of 2,334,771 as of July 2004. California is ranked at number one with a population of 35,893,799 as of the same date. Wyoming is number 50 with a population of 506,529 as of the same date. So, I don't think Nevada -- and I may be biased because it is my home state -- is a "back water" state. Not to mention the fact that Nevada is also one of the fastest growing states in the Union.

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004986.html
http://www.census.gov/population/www/projections/ppl47.html
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 01:03 AM
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63. Good points you made
Nevada is growing quickly and could pick up another 1 or maybe 2 reps in 2010. I'll agree, it's not a small state pop. wise anymore.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:01 AM
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10. Like it or not, Reid is the leader of the senate Democrats....
He's a damn good one, and his position isn't gonna change anytime soon. Bitch, moan, or whine, Harry Reid is a damn fine Minority Leader and I and a solid majority of the Democrats here apparently agree. Sorry you don't.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:08 AM
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54. Hear, hear!!! n/t
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:01 AM
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11. blah...
More of your divisive and ill intended polls...
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 03:21 AM
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18. "More of your divisive and ill intended polls... "
Yep: you nailed it. The OP grinds them out on a regular basis, like rancid sausage.

It really makes one wonder, doesn't it?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:29 AM
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25. I'm wondering... I just wish the naysayers would
chill out and see how this plays out. And I think Reid is doing a great job!
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:10 AM
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13. Enough with the scorched earth bullshit
Reid didn't sell anyone out. He played this like a master. He drove a huge wedge into the GOP caolition. If that's not a victory, I don't know what is.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:18 AM
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15. Reid has lost every battle. I want someone who will win one.
This was a loser. He sold us out.
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:59 PM
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38. Total Bullshit
For one thing, he was not in on this deal. And for another, he spent incredible amounts fighting tooth-and-nail against the Republican power grab, and Democrats can still filibuster a Supreme Court nominee if they deem it necessary. Please take your bitching somewhere else.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 02:48 AM
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40. Yeah, with 45 votes he's sure in a great position to win
a lot of battles *rolls eyes*
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chopper Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:36 AM
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47. seriously...
you're probably really, really bad at chess, aren't you?
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:59 AM
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19. Reid is doing a good job
certianly judging by the amount of venom the right wingers are spitting at each other right now.

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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 05:29 AM
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20. Boxer, Harkin or even a door knob.
I imagine any of the above would put up more of a fight than Reid.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:42 AM
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21. Durbin would do a great job as well.
He can explain things in a clear way without looking angry, but still being very efficient.
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SixShooter Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:48 AM
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22. You people are ridiculous
Amazing how fast you turn on your leaders..I love the loyalty

Reid is doing fine...he's twenty times better than Daschle..
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:04 AM
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23. Sorry, but I never like Reid's choice
all bark and no byte. He has caved in or not succeeded in holding his caucus together in nearly every vote.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:25 AM
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24. Karl Rove, if you think Reid must go.
I suspect one of KKKarl's interns has already gleefully shown him this post.

Congratulations. :eyes:
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:57 AM
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26. I voted Boxer, but.....
I'd actually like to see Hillary in that position, rather than her running for "higher" office. She'd piss the repubs off and make them say even loonier things on a daily basis.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:05 AM
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27. The corporations that own the DLC would never permit a Democrat
to be Senate minority leader.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:58 PM
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37. Except the DLC has absolutely no influence over the matter.
In fact, the DLC's greatest sphere of influence is over an extremely vocal and highly misinformed minority online who actually have no idea whatsoever what the DLC actually is, but like to hold it up as the ultimate bogeyman.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 05:13 AM
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42. Then how did Reid get the job?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:07 AM
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28. I like the job Reid's doing so far.
I wouldn't replace him as minority leader. He seems to have more fire than Daschle. Daschle was a very decent man who simply wasn't political enough to do battle with the Republicans.

Reid has been the better parliamentarian than his counterpart in the GOP and his public comments on key issues have been forceful and right-on.

Go, Harry.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:15 AM
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29. stupid poll. He's just fine where he is.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:30 AM
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32. dumbest poll I've seen in a while. What did Reid do wrong?
He did his best to stop those nominees. Who would be best to replace Frist, Santorum, Brownback, McConnell, etc?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 02:02 PM
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39. Well, if you stand far enough to the left
he looks like Ronald Reagan. That must be it.
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RedstDem Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:54 PM
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33. Lets Vote On The Dumbest Poll
This One Would Win.
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:56 PM
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34. Neither
Reid is doing a great job whether you like it or not. The rhetoric he uses to describe Republicans is a breath of fresh air. People who are freaking out about the deal are way off base. Maybe you'd like Tommy weak-kneed Daschle, but I'll take the boxer Reid, who is always ready to whoop some right-wing ass.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:56 PM
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35. Third option: He just fine right where he is
I like him.
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:56 PM
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36. Fucking Bullshit Poll
Edited on Tue May-24-05 01:57 PM by ProudToBeLiberal
What about the third option of keeping Harry Reid?. Obviously this Poll has an agenda, which is to spread dissent in Democratic Party. I'm not buying this bullshit.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 03:00 AM
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41. that's quite a few votes for horrible poll &or don't replace, you gonna ad
d that third option?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 05:32 AM
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43. You go right ahead with your agenda.
Personally, I'd prefer to see the party stay in one piece and operate from a position of strength, rather than start an ideological purge. Perhaps you are looking for the Green party.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 09:03 AM
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49. Don't slander the Greens by implying this
idiot is one of them.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:29 PM
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62. My apologies to the Green party. n/t
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:25 AM
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44. Anybody blaming Frist for "selling out his state and many others"? No.
Edited on Wed May-25-05 08:45 AM by ClarkUSA
Is Frist being blamed for those seven moderate GOP balking at scrapping the filibuster?

Trust some Democrats (if that's what the OP really is) to whip out their public circular whining squad after every battle. No wonder we keep losing the war.

Barbara Boxer would be the first to tell you that Reid has her support.

Here's an email from Sen. Boxer:

Dear XXXXXX,

If you were wondering if we won or lost the debate on judicial filibusters, look no further than the following statement from James Dobson,Êfounder of "Focus on the Family" and a key architect of the right-wing extremist movement:

"This Senate agreement represents a complete bailout and betrayal by a cabal of Republicans and a great victory for united Democrats.Ê The rules that blocked
conservative nominees remain in effect, and nothing of significance has changed."

For more evidence, check out the headline from today's Washington Times, a key mouthpiece of the right-wing:

"7 Republicans abandon GOP on filibuster"

I am so pleased that senators from both sides of the aisle have walked the Senate back from the brink and defeated this terrible abuse of power.Ê You can read my full statement about last night's agreement on BarbaraBoxer.com.

Thanks for your continued support in this fight for America's future.Ê I'll keep you posted on the many battles that lie ahead.

In Friendship,
Barbara Boxer

Of course, Boxer recognizes the importance of staying united and focused in battle instead of whining about a hard-won compromise that shows the growing boldness of GOP moderates in bucking their Party's wishes. Frist know that they can't ever get rid of a filibuster with those seven standing against him, so the "nuclear option" is effectively dead. That's why rightwingnut heads are spinning and spewing now.

The filibuster is not dead. Watch the Democrats use it - knowing that Frist will look like a fool if he tries to start this threatening crap AGAIN as the 2006 election season looms ever closer and voters get increasingly ready for a change.


Your divisive poll is nonsense.



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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:37 AM
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48. Another vote for Stupidest Poll Ever
Do you ever post anything that isn't bullshit?
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 09:13 AM
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50. Shut The Hell Up -- Reid WON
Read Joe Conason's column posted on this board and delete this ridiculous poll.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 09:27 AM
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51. Oh, please! Come back to reality. We DON'T CONTROL anything.
Reid has done a DAMN GOOD JOB making things hard for the republicans considering we are in the minority, and not by a small number of Senate seats.

Plus, he wasn't even a party to the Agreement the 14 Senator's signed.
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Leafy Geneva Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 09:39 AM
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52. A more honest, meaningfull poll would list "Don't Replace Him"
as a choice.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:17 AM
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55. Yet another "genius" poll!
Take your agenda elsewhere -- Harry Reid is giving the Republicans hell and doing a fine job as minority leader. What is it with you and these polls, genius? Just what is it that you are hoping to accomplish by posting such trite and meaningless nonsense? Every few days you will post one of these divisive polls, and I'm not alone in wondering about your intentions. Senator Harry Reid is handling things as well as a minority leader with only 44 members (besides himself) to fight the Republican agenda. How dare you? How dare you attack him by saying he has "sold us out"? What utter childish nonsense! I really have to wonder how you handle disappointment or defeat in the real world, because every time something goes "wrong" you speak of purging. I really have to wonder just how well you would do as you seem to have all of the answers but absolutely none of the solutions. Furthermore, do attempt to make an honest poll for once and include a full range of options such as, "Neither. Harry Reid is doing a fine job just where he is!"
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:22 AM
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56. by now you know that most of us appreciate Reid's efforts
-- is he perfect? Hell no. But he seems to be doing the best he can, given that Repugs control EVERYTHING!!
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LuPeRcALiO Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:23 AM
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57. Reid and Harkin are from red states, Boxer is from California
So just going by what their constituencies will allow or expect them to do, I'd go with Boxer.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:45 AM
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59. I think Reid is doing great
and I don't think he sold as down the river. He didn't have much of a choice he had to endorse the filibuster deal. If anyone sold us out it was the gang of 14.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 01:12 AM
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64. I'll take Reid over Daschle any day!
Don't blame Reid for the cowardness of the self-proclaimed Democratic "moderates." Those pukes are showing their true colors by their support of Bush's judicial nominees, and the Bolton nomination.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 01:18 AM
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65. its a kind of loaded question...he doesn't need replaced.
i won't vote on this loaded poll.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 05:17 AM
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66. Against my will, I've been quite supportive of Harry. UNTIL NOW.
Edited on Thu May-26-05 05:17 AM by BlueIris
Senator Reid? It would take a lot to earn my trust back after this week. A lot, a lot, a lot. So much that I say, move over, make room for the next person. Boxer wants it? I'm there. In fact, a talking box of hair wants it? I'm there.
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