Apparently the Left doesn't get It.

[Nimble_Idea]

Once again our bums found a way to grab their ankles and pretend that somehow they won? ARE YOU SERIOUS? How can the media even get away with this syt.

Our no spine plebs in the senate should have let Frist take away the filibuster. The dems would have been forced to shut down the senate. Shutting down that piece of syt they call the senate would have been the best thing for this nation.

I can't believe the syt I'm hearing on DU. What exactly did we win? More conservative judges? More Holy war? Destroy Social Security?

How can this be looked at in any other finkle way? We have now marched ever closer to the peak of fascism, when they can make people on the left think they won something even when they are being screwed.

[trumad]

1. syt... Finkle?

Do you mean Shit and Fuck?

[Al-CIAda]

2. More Enron judges! n/t

[salib]

3. Exactly! This sucks. But, it is clearly Democratic (in the Clinton way)

[firefox]

4. I agree

Avoiding the unacceptable is now victory. The Dims are the Washington Generals and the Repukes are the Harlem Globetrotters. We are already a fascist country. Look at the Medicare Bill of 2003 and ask why isn't anyone calling for changing at least the most egregious sections like the part that says the government cannot negotiate pill prices?

I see no victory, only the avoidance of a vote on the filibuster that the Repukes really did not want in the first place. The Spartans used to say "With your shield or on it." It meant come home victorious or dead. The Dims retreated where they should have defended the line. But like I said, we are a fascist country. That is why we have an illegal war in Iraq with the media avoiding anyone willing to call it an illegal war, not that they would find many in Congress willing to do that.

[Mass_Liberal]

5. once again

stupid statements like "We are already a fascist country"

A) are bullshit. Nearly all of us here are smart enough to know what fascism is. Unfortunetly not all of us have the self-control to use it when warranted, as opposed to as a label for everything we don't like.

B) Lessens the credibility of us all.

[firefox]

8. No bullshit about it. We are a fascist country.

It is the biggest of all questions, so why is the question not being asked? Are we a fascist country? Your goddamned right we are.

[staticstopper]

6. I agree with the author of this thread.

There is no fight in them.

I have suspicions of why that is but it's not easy to believe or to prove. But it does - in my mind - explain the total lack of oversight and the weird shift liberals took toward becoming patsies, and away from being an opposition party.

My theory has to do with the idea that years ago the left was infiltrated by long term planning/thinking traitors to the cause. That has GOT to be it or there is blackmail going down.

And, oh yeah, all the missing Pentagon money and "Iraq Freedom War" oil revenue buys them more than we can imagine.

[lyonn]

7. You know that feeling when you have just been sideswiped

Well that's how I feel, what the hell was that?! kind of feeling.

Edit: You are damn glad to be alive but the car looks like hell.

[Hippo_Tron]

9. Reid had no choice, the "gang of 14" was going to vote for cloture

By declaring victory we score political points and make the other side look extreme. By declaring defeat we look just as bad as Frist. The nominees were going to get put on the bench anyway. Blame Nelson, Lieberman, Conrad, Pryor, Salazar, etc. if you want to blame someone.

Plus, you have to remember that the fillibuster would've been ended and these nominees would've been put on the bench if the nuclear option had been used. The difference is that the GOP would've looked even more extreme, but that wasn't really an option anyway.

BTW, this WILL come up again when the SCOTUS nominees come up and the GOP will look like REAL cry-babies next time.

[Pryderi]

10. I agree. Dems should have gone down with the ship

Why is it Dems always compromise? Recent Republican successes are a result of their stubbornness!

Their stubbornness forces Dems to move to the right, and voters respect them more because, right or wrong, they stick to their postions.

Losing the filibuster would make the Republicans look like the power hungry gorrillas that they are, and Dems would have looked like the defenders of tradition and "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" values.

I don't think the filibuster would have been eliminated if it came down to a vote. Dems lose their nerve again.

[European Socialist]

11. The worst thing is...

that maybe a pissed off dem might have had a Galloway moment -if the pukes tried to end the filibuster.

[formernaderite]

12. I don't know why we compromised....

I would have liked to have been able to blame the repubs in 2006 for excercising the nuclear option. Oh, well.....

[WhiteTara]

13. Reid would consider ky jelly

a victory:puke: