Are we going to have another Civil War?

[liberalitch]

It feels like there will be no peaceful solution to what is transpiring now in American politics.
Are we on our way to a bigger fight?

[renaissanceguy]

1. I wonder too.

It's at the very least going to be a cold civil war. But who knows, it could get very ugly. And I have no doubt that the RR will keep pushing.



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[benburch]

2. Yes, in my opinion.

Arm yourself if you are not already armed, and practice with your weapons if you are.

[cascadiance]

19. If you know anyone who voted for Bush purely on gun control

issues, explain to them now that it might be Dems that are more on their side now to allow them to get better access to guns without government oversight. I predict that we might have a real reversal of stances on gun control in both the Rethuglican and the Democratic Party planks. More and more Dems I talk to each day want to have automatic weapons of their own to prepare for what they think might become the inevitable. If you're a lurking freeper here and are scared by what I'm saying here, "YOU SHOULD BE!", especially if you continue to support the NRA's positions of having unfettered access to the most adanced weaponry. I'm not saying I'm buying weapons myself or have that attitude, but I'm observing that having gun control as a stance to separate Dems and Repubs in the coming elect is going to be a noop soon. We're learning to be "survivalists" too now!

[graywarrior]

3. Tis why I am heading back to Boston

[Doctor_J]

4. I doubt it

we can't even organize a tax revolt against the $1.5B/wk debacle in Iraq. It would be nice to salvage our nation without foreign intervention, but I don't see it happening.

There will be a global shooting war, on our soil.

[liberalitch]

9. Like the dafurians.... I hope NATO will send troops

[forgethell]

17. What foreign nation

is going to be presumptous enough to invade the US of A. Possibly the French, they like to invade smaller countries. Wait! The US of A is bigger than France.

That leaves, well, nobody. If we think America has to be saved, there ain't nobody gonna do it but us Americans.

[woodsprite]

5. I think they'd institute martial law before we got to that point. n/t

[Lerkfish]

6. unfortunately, there is no geographic mason-dixon line.

which means the civil war has no definable boundaries, so it would be more of a procedural conflict than an outright war. IMHO

[Bridget Burke]

7. Yup. That Red State versus Blue State thing is a lie.

No matter what those pure Californians say!

[Lerkfish]

10. i live in a relatively affluent neighborhood, and the kerry/bush sign

ratio was bout dead even.
what then? declare war on every third house?
this is a problem in that we are homogenized throughout the country, and that the decision to support/not support Bush is not always set in stone. Very different from the first civil war in which a variety of issues could be more easily segregated geographically, and that the point was secession of certain states.
nearly every state was purple, not predominantly red/blue...it just became red/blue in a pass/fail electoral system.

[IChing]

8. As long as the opiates for the masses continue then

no

[carnie_sf]

11. I'm beginning to think

that might be the only solution.

[Coastie for Truth]

12. Karel devoted his entire Saturday show to this question

He sees it coming - the Evangelicals (including the Opus Dei Catholics and the Lubavitch Jews) against the rest of us.

And Karel says it all comes down to "Fundamentalist Religion" seizing on the issue of "Sex" (Procreational versus non-proceational).

[Internut]

13. Now this is bizarre

How exactly have "Lubavitch Jews" offended you (or Karel, for this matter)? Did they try to pass a law that would require you to put on tefillin? Did they show up on your doorstep and asked you if you have "found HaShem"?

[Coastie for Truth]

14. I lived in a Lubavitch commune in college.

But Karel was painting with his usual broad brush.

[leftofthedial]

15. We've been in a civil war since the 70s.

It's been a cold civil war and only one side has been fighting.

[Chemical Bill]

25. Civil war without the guns

and the robber barons are winning. What good would come from our taking up arms to fight the police, National Guard, and Army? The PTB are not going to soil their hands when they can hire people to fight for them (see: chickenhawk). There's no way for us to win this with guns.

Bill

[rhett o rick]

16. It's already started and we are waaaay behind. But i ain't red vs. blue o

or demo's vs. repub's, it's rich and gullible vs. moderate middleclass. We are losing more every day. How far does it have to go before we wake up.

[zissou2]

18. 2 minutes to midnight

I believe leftofthedial is correct in saying there is already a civil war but only one side has been fighting. So far the right has been able to achieve their goals without overt organized violence. But they have completely undermined the rule of law in this country and are about to turn the federal government into a functional apparatus of the Republican Party.
These people (right wingers) are serious. Dead serious. They may be our neighbors, family members, co-workers, etc. But you have to listen to the language they use, the ideas they espouse, and the propaganda they are fed. It is frightening. They are not into the spirit of democratic compromise any longer.
I have been holding out a small amount of hope that the great majority of American's who are closer to the "center" might recoil from the radical right. Unfortunately it is hard to tell wether this is happening or will happen because the corporate media is so good at muting real news.
I do hope that progressive Americans start taking a long hard look at their options in a decidedly un-democratic America. How far is too far? Where is our line in the sand? At what point do we have to start considering a more drastic response to the assault on our freedoms?
Often in simliar discussions I've noticed people will laugh off suggestions that it could get that bad in the good old U.S.A. I would hope they are right. But it is worth thinking how many of the major revolutions and upheavals in world history were deemed unthinkable only a short time before they occurred.

[gristy]

26. thanks for your insightful comments, zissou2

And let me be the first to welcome you to DU!! :hi:

[ArkDem]

20. Wouldn't 'civil war' be an oxymoron?

[cascadiance]

21. Pretty soon "Better dead than red" will have a whole new meaning!

n/t

[uh_bean]

22. I doubt it

People are too complacent in the United States to start anything like that. Besides, things are not as bad as they seem.

[LiberalPersona]

23. Yes

It's inevitible.
Depending on how you see things, you might say that we are already waging a cold civil war.

[Singular73]

24. Some of you people need professional help

Seriously.

[uh_bean]

27. You're Probably Right!

LOL