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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:30 AM
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Who is your alternative candidate?
For those that have not had your primaries yet, if you see your candidate failing, or drop out, who would your alternative be?

Along those lines, other than Leiberman, who would you absolutely not want to see get the nomination?

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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:31 AM
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1. 1st he has to be anti racist...
My second choice is Dean.
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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:35 AM
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3. Good morning Dem Unite!
Can't we get past the earlier thread we disagreed on? We are still both Dems and that's what counts. :hi:
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budmo Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:56 AM
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2nd choice
Well I was all about Dean for a while but I've really had to take a long hard look at who can beat Bush and I'm thinking it's not Dean after all. Be it the Iowa thing or not-the truth is that like it or not, the nuances aren't there and winning the Presidency, to me, is about so much more than message. It's about stature and so I'm backing Kerry I think and I'm 2nding with Edwards.
A Kerry' /Edwards or a Kerry/ Gepardt ticket would send the Bushies into over drive. I would be happy with a Kerry/ Clark ticket as well but Clark, alone as a candidate, feels like an empty suit to me.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:32 AM
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2. I'm a Dean supporter, but my next choice would be Kerry
There's no other person besides Lieberman who I would not want to see get the nomination.

Terry
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:39 AM
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6. Agree
I saw John Edwards'wife on TV last night talking to a group of women in someone's home. She was great! She made the case for Edwards in a very thoughtful, thorough way.

I live in California so I have the luxury of not having to make a decision now.

I am proud that there are so many good Democratic candidates. Every single one would be better than Bush.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:37 AM
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4. Whoever I thought could beat Bush-but if it's not Dean, I'm not sure who.
I like Edwards but don't think he could beat Bush any more than Kerry or any of the rest of them. So, going on the theory that none of the others can beat Bush, I might as well waste my vote on Edwards.
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democraticgator Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:31 PM
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19. Dont be so negative..........
The Dems are going to take this race, the generic dem vs. bush question puts the dem ahead this week. This is before any of our great candidates gets to embarass the president in a one-on-one debate.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:38 AM
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5. If I have to select an alternate-
It'll be Kerry.

Frankly none of them hold a candle to Kucinich in my view, but Kerry at least has a long standing record of supporting my major issues.
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FreeperSlayer Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:43 AM
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7. ABB!
BUSH OUT!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:44 AM
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8. #2 = Dr. Dean; #3 = Sen. Kerry.
I like them both, though, so it's not meant to reflect badly on Sen. Kerry.

I would not want Sharpton or Kucinich to get the nomination, although I would vote for either of them, if they somehow did secure it.
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:32 AM
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18. same here n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:46 AM
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9. I'm still deciding.
I posted earlier seeing if any supporters from other campaigns would post their best shots for their candidates, but it was taken that I was giving up on Clark (which I'm not). So I'm still waiting for supporters of other candidates to put their best foot forward as to why their candidate would be the best.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:12 AM
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17. Why Kucinich is best-
1. He shows leadership this country has been screaming for for decades. He's been the first to jump out and take action on most of the most threatening issues we face as a nation, the rest have been talking about it and doing nothing.

2. He's telling the people of this country "Don't give up! I have faith in you and I'm asking you to have faith in me." The first two points are the most vital. I think people have needed this message for a long time, and now that it's being delivered the media is blocking it out. If we all give up, the corporatocracy wins, so quick shut this Kucinich guy up!

3. He has the credentials, the record and the experience to deliver what he promises if people just gave him the opportunity.-

Let's just look at his plan for getting out of Iraq, people think it's unrealistic, and it probably is for any other candidate. What people don't know is that Kucinich is well known at the UN. He's got a reputation that makes him among those the UN would be most inclined to negotiate with- he's a man of peace, of integrity and who stands up and speaks of international cooperation and sustainability for the entire human race. The UN members KNOW this!

He's a member of the House Ways and Means committee which means he knows probably more than the good General about where the money is going and where it's being flushed down the toilet. He's also the ranking Democrat on the Government Reform Subcommittee on National
Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations.

People outside the US know him probably better than people within the US do, and they want to see him become the next President of the United States. Because they know he'll deliver.

Wake up and find your courage, America. That's all it takes. Unelectability is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Kucinich would have every Republican who despises NAFTA and the WTO. He'd have every Naderite from 2000, he'd have the majority of Greens because the Green Party candidate has pledged to withdraw if Kucinich is nominated, as has Nader promised not to run. Socialists, Greens, Dems, Republicans, Libertarians this man IS the Uniter we were promised from the lying Commander in Thief.
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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:47 AM
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10. I was...am ... a Clark supporter, but being in Texas I still have a while.
I think my alternative would be Dean. I think he has chrisma and can beat bush. I think Dean is taking an unfair beating by the media. It's one thing the candidates beating up on each other but it's not right having the outside influence of the media swaying our decisions.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:51 AM
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11. Alternative-John Edwards
1st choice-Wesley Clark

Who I absolutely wouldn't want to get the nomination other than Lieberman: Al Sharpton.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:52 AM
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12. my No. 2 is Edwards
My No. 3 is Clark
then Dean.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:56 AM
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13. Clark
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Insurance_Analyst Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:58 AM
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14. Kerry gets it!!! He ties the war, dependence on oil, and jobs together
better than any of them!

Kerry is the best alternative to Clark. He is very good!!!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:02 AM
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15. Kerry is my second choice.
If Clark gets the nomination, I vote third party. I would however grudgingly vote for Lieberman.
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:08 AM
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16. Still waffling some
but Dean is currently still my number 1, if not Dean I am leaning strongly toward Edwards, if not Edwards then Clark, Kerry runs a distant 4th, but if he is the nominee, I will support him.

After that, Sharpton, Kucinich, Leiberman, in that order. Excluding Lieberman and Sharpton and Kucinich (due to long odds against the last two). I would be most diseheartened if Kerry gets the nomination. Beltway Insider, more of the same, lackluster personality, etc. etc. Time and more familiarity may improve that, but as of now that is where I stand.
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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:35 PM
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20. No idea
But I don't think the Kooch is dropping out before the convention, so I don't have to worry about that. :)
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:37 PM
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21. Clark supporter here. WAS Kerry, but now I'm not sure.
I'm trying to decide. I DID support Kerry as a second choice, but because of the posts on DU by some of his supporters, and the actions of his supporters in NH, I have decided not to vote for him.

I'm unsure now of who my second choice would be. I'm open to suggestions. Edwards, maybe? Not vote at all?

But I am very much hoping that Clark wins the nomination, and I will not give up hope until it's obvious he can't win.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:10 PM
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22. Walt Brown - Socialist / But will vote for the Democratic Nominee -nt-
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:17 PM
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23. Edwards, Kerry
and Clark is my 1st choice.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:20 PM
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24. currently Dean, could be Clark if, and only if, Dean drops out n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:22 PM
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25. I'm voting for Kucinich in the Feb. 17th WI. primary
My alternative is Dean.
I don't trust Clark, I think he's got neo-con moles around him-bad for Democratic Party in the long run IMHO.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:25 PM
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26. General Clark n/t
n/t
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greendog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:38 PM
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27. I'll decide first week of June...
...the Montana Primary is on June 8th. If, at that point, it makes sense to support someone other than Kucinich I'll have enough info to make a good decision.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:39 PM
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28. They're in my sig
No corporatist DLC candidates.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:44 PM
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30. Wow! After all this time,
I really didn't figure you'd toss Kucinich in there!

I'll argue policy with Dean supporters until the cows come home, but by golly I'm going to try not to gripe about personal crap. I think he's getting enough of that nonsense from the press.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:46 PM
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31. Kucinich is closest to me on the issues
and would have my support right now if I felt he was electable.

I would take him any day of the week over the three corporatists in the race, though.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:41 PM
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29. Pat Paulsen.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:59 PM
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32. alternate reality
I would actually take Rep. Kucinich's advise if he were to withdraw regarding selecting another.

At this point, Al sharpton is my number 2. Kerry/Edwards/Clark are all tied for 3.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 02:03 PM
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33. #2 Clark nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 02:15 PM
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34. Clark as Alternative. Lieberman, Kerry, Edwards Not.
Dean and Clark, anti-war. L&K&E voted for the war.
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VirginiaIs4Lieberman Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 02:17 PM
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35. Howard Dean
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tryanhas Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 02:22 PM
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36. Not Dean
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 02:27 PM by tryanhas
Not ever.

It was Gephardt at first, but now it's NO ONE, maybe Kucinich just because saying him is safe because he'll never get there.

I'm for Edwards and Edwards alone, basically.

Why? Kerry is Skull and Bones, just like Bush. SAME SECRET SOCIETY EQUALS SAME INTERESTS, no matter your record! Still sworn to the same code and a part of the same agenda! Bump Kerry!

Not Lieberman! He is a follower of Reverend Sun Myung Moon, the head of the Unification church, and the self-proclaimed REINCARNATION OF JESUS CHRIST, just like Bush is! The Unification church wants to start a one world religion, and I'm not voting for anyone involved in that agenda!

Dean is nothing but a republican when it comes to fiscal policy, so no, I'm not voting if he is the nominee, PERIOD! When Dean says, "WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING, I MUST BALANCE THE BUDGET," you all don't realize what that means! He cut social programs like a mad man in Vermont, and laughed at the Democrats in his state in the process just to balance the budget. He pissed on the poor in Vermont, and the only thing that he can tout is HEALTH CARE which basically means that he can make sure that all of his doctor friends are getting paid!!! Check the guy's record and look at all the social programs that he cut while building more and more prisons in the process, screwing the poor, helping the wealthy, having his own secret energy panel, DEAN IS BUSH WITH A "D" IN FRONT OF HIS NAME!

Sharpton doesn't have a prayer.

I will consider Clark, and I'll more than likely vote if he is the nominee because he's nothing but a figurehead, a puppet, and Clinton's people are basically telling him what to say. If he is going to just do what Clinton wants then how much damage would he do.

Clark or Kucinich.

If it's not Edwards, then Democrats are screwed either way, though...
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 02:34 PM
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37. Kerry would most likely pick Edwards as VP...
...so Kerry is my number 2.

It would make the most sense for Kerry to pick Edwards, because he needs a new face/Southerner/populist to counter his insider/Northeastern liberal/patrician image.
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