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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:47 PM
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Reply to "Downing Street Memo" question from Repub Congressman
You'll love this...

My favorite is the characterization of the "discussions" being "scattered" but the best one is "I believe that there are no grounds for investigation". OK, actual documentation from our closest ally... Wow! What ****ing planet did you come from?

Letter:

Thank you for contacting me regarding a proposed investigation into
President Bush with regard to the recent war in Iraq. I appreciate
hearing from you and having the opportunity to respond.

In recent months there has been scattered discussion about convening a special investigation by an independent counsel of the President, based on feelings that his motivation and use of force during Operation Iraqi Freedom were misguided. However, I believe that there are no grounds for investigation or impeachment and that President Bush has acted honorably and effectively to protect the United States and to extend the hand of freedom to the Iraqi people. As we work together with nations around the world to enable the existence of true peace, I will continue to support President Bush.

Once again, thank you for contacting me.

As always, "Idaho - Esto Perpetua"
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C.L."Butch" Otter
Member of Congress

CLO/mmj
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:52 PM
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1. well "Butch" the people will remember this on election day..
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:52 PM
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2. He freed all those miserable Iraqis from their miserable lives
What a sport :puke:
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:53 PM
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3. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Good old Butch Otter - this was the mouth breather that brought in a front end loader and scooped out a wetlands for his own benefit - the EPA had so many fines against this asshole it wasnt funny, but hey, guess what? In I D HOE, that's great stuff - so he got elected

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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:58 PM
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4. good on ya, that you took the time to write him
but what do you expect from a lunk-head from Idaho? Sheila Sorensen will be running in'06. She also unquestioningly supports President Bush. She spouts all the common retoric...no new taxes, homeland security, the war is justified and is making America safer...blah, blah, blah,......we can't let her win!!!!!!! Boise Democrat
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:01 PM
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7. I want a paper trail... when the other foot falls I want proof! n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 06:00 PM
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5. As much of a cop-out as the reply I got from the Conservative MP
who had been on the Butler Inquiry into WMD Intelligence in the UK.

The report had this to say about that day:

The next key stage was a meeting on 23 July chaired by the Prime Minister with those
Ministers and officials primarily involved in UK policy formulation and military contingency
planning. This meeting considered, on the basis of a briefing from the Chairman of the JIC,
the current intelligence assessment of Iraq’s nuclear, biological, chemical and ballistic
missile programmes, noting that Iraqi capabilities were smaller in scale than those of other
states of concern. The meeting discussed the re-engagement of United Nations
inspectors, against the background of intelligence advice that the Iraqi regime would
allow inspectors into Iraq only when the threat of military action was thought to be real. It
also commissioned work on legal issues.


So they knew there was a meeting, but said hardly anything interesting about it (just that they thought Iraq had less WMD than other countries). So I asked him (he's the only member of the committee who is still an MP, so I reckoned he had to answer me):

The report of your committee does mention the meeting of 23rd July, 2002, in which the Prime Minister met with the Foreign Secretary, the head of SIS, and various others to discuss Iraq, and for which the memo written by Matthew Rycroft was recently leaked. However, your report makes no mention of the remarks that war was seen as inevitable, or that the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy (which seems to be extremely relevant to the committee's purpose).

Did your committee see the actual memo, or did you just get a description of the meeting from one (or more) of the participants? If you did not see the memo, is there anything in it which would have changed the conclusions, either of yourself, or (in your opinion) of the committee as a whole?


which seems a reasonable question, since fixing the intelligence about WMD around the policy of regime change is obviously important for an investigation into WMD intelligence. This is the non-answer I got:

The Butler Review was about weapons of mass destruction and, although we saw various documents, we confined our report to matters related to wmd. The memo you mention was concerned with the political arguments and thus outside our remit. That is why no comment was made.


Pathetic, huh? He didn't even try to answer my question - he just said it's Someone Else's Problem. I'm wondering if it's worth writing to any of the other members to try to get a proper answer (they are all retired from public post, now, I think, so they don't have such an obligation to reply).
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 06:02 PM
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6. I like how he mentions impeachment....
"I believe that there are no grounds for investigation or impeachment "

In the context this can almost be read as double speak for...

"I believethere are grounds for investigation or impeachment "
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:39 PM
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8. "with regard to the recent war in Iraq"
Does that wording put Iraq in past tense? I would think it should be current war in Iraq or has Mission been Accomplished all over again?
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