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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:52 PM
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Why is John McCain a whore?
I was writing back and forth with a friend (who is very liberal and very cool) when I mentioned that the possibility of John McCain running in 2008 really frightened me because he's such a whore.

My friend replied "I don't know what you mean about McCain being a whore. He was part of the Lincoln Savings and Loan scandal in the late 1980's but he's become a voice of reason on many issues. I don't agree with him at least 50% of the time, but he certainly isn't in the pocket of the far right. Instead he's pissed them off."

I then said: "Oh, he talks tough and seems fair when not too much is at stake. But when push came to shove at the RNC he was hugging and kissing * with all the other sycophants. Then he had to go and give a speech filled with all the hot-button references that drive Repubs wild (i.e. a personal attack on Michael Moore) but no real issues. I'm not saying he should've actively campaigned against * (I wouldn't expect that much), but he could've at least steered clear of openly declaring his undying support. Plenty of diehard Republicans did during the last election because they don't believe Bush is doing a good job.

To me this is especially heinous coming from John McCain because of the vicious and disgusting way * smeared McCain when they were both running for the Republican nomination. *, the fucking awol POS, not only called McCain's own military service into question but then made sure to point out that McCain had adopted a black baby so that all the most racist conservatives would be sure not to vote for him. If John McCain can publicly and whole-heartedly endorse * after that, then I can't help but believe he will say or do ANYTHING if it suits his agenda. That frightens me."

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What I want to ask all of you is, can you give me more examples of McCain's whoring? I know I've heard of other instances, but can't recall them now. I'd like to be able to tell my friend more. Thanks.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:53 PM
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1. To me, just the fact that he supports Bush after all the dirty shit
they did to him in 2000 speaks volumes about what a Party whore McCain is.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:57 PM
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8. I agree, but I know there was more and I
wanted to share that with my friend.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:03 PM
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12. Yeah, I just can't think of any
Why is it that whatever information you have just never seems to be enough to convince people?
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:21 PM
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25. I know what you mean but
this friend is really, really cool and smart and totally liberal. I can change his mind with enough information. Otherwise I wouldn't bother trying.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:26 PM
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26. I'm and work and can't think of any specifics
But I'd really like to help you out. If I can think of some specific incidents that haven't already been mentioned, I will post them
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:08 AM
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38. That's cool. Thanks.
I wasn't trying to pressure you. I just wanted to make sure everyone reading this knew that my friend is really cool and open to change. It's no problem if you can't think of specifics. I couldn't either, which is why I came here. DU rocks for this sort of thing.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:53 PM
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2. Power and profit. Power and profit.
NGU.


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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:54 PM
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3. His joke about Chelsea Clinton
when she was a young teenager and quite awkward was pretty damn tasteless.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:57 PM
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5. What was the joke?
Did he say it publicly? I didn't hear that one, although I remember a lot if idiot Republicans talking shit about Chelsea. And they have the audacity to get all offended because John Kerry called Mary Cheney a "lesbian" GASP!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:59 PM
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9. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?"
Edited on Thu May-19-05 04:00 PM by deadparrot
"Because her father is Janet Reno."

Classy. :eyes:

Granted, he later apologized, but I still think it was cruel to say about a young girl, who had no control over her situation, going through an awkward time in her life in the public eye.

ETA: Yes, I believe it was in public, at a Republican fundraiser of some kind.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:02 PM
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11. my god- that's horrible
Chelsea really showed all of those who picked on her looks when she was a child, she's really blossomed into a beautiful young lady!
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:29 PM
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27. I agree... she is a damn fine young woman now!!
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:13 PM
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15. Geezusgawd THAT'S DISGUSTING!
How on earth could he have ever, for one nanosecond, imagined that would be okay to say? She was a child! Why not just de-pants an old lady for laughs? Or make fun of someone with Down's Syndrome? What a scream!

Not only is he a whore, but he's also a fucking asshole.
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:50 PM
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23. Turn-about is fair play...
Q. "What caused Cindy McCain's drug addiction and why did she steal hard drugs from a medical charity that she ran?"

A. "She's married to John McCain"
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:55 PM
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4. Why is the sky blue?
:)
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:57 PM
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6. He's a Republican, that's why
I had hopes for McCain, especially after he was so royally screwed by the Bush people in South Carolina. Instead of finding a spine, he lost one.

Yes, he is a whore..the worse kind. He has been repeatedly screwed by Rove and seemes to love it.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:25 AM
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40. You took my answer!!
:P
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:52 PM
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47. Sorry about that ; )
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:57 PM
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7. he'll take your money and screw you?
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:59 PM
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10. He's trying to have it both ways. . .but in the end, he'll be squished
He's really not loyal to anything/anybody except himself.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:37 PM
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21. that's it in a nutshell,
the quintessential John McCain.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:06 PM
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13. A mathamatical study of power of congress reveals
A mathematical study of the US House of Representatives reveals clear partisanship - including stacked committees - within the House.

While this may not surprise political analysts, the objective analysis contradicts the US Code, which outlines US laws and suggests a just system in which all legislation receives a fair hearing from politicians who put the country’s interests ahead of their political party’s. The words “non-partisan” and “unbiased” appear frequently in the code.

Among the study’s findings is that the membership of the Select Committee on Homeland Security, formed after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, is closely tied to the House Rules Committee, a powerful group involved in the regulation of all committees and House members. But, contrary to expectation, the Homeland Security committee does not have many members in common with the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7386





"James Fowler, a political scientist at the University of California, Davis, US, agrees with the findings. He recently conducted network research that concluded Senator John McCain is the most connected member of the current Congress.

Fowler told New Scientist that political analysts “have known for a long time that there is a great deal of partisanship in the House. Some voters will benefit from partisanship. For example, strong Republicans are happy the Republican majority is currently voting together to pass many Republican policies. Others will not be happy, such as the moderates who believe both parties are too extreme.”

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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:11 PM
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14. watch his appearance on Saturday Night Live

oh, two or three years ago. That's what lost me all respect for the man. The vein of misogyny and resentment of women he is full of is just horrifying.

I've never expected any good of him since, and he has met those expectations exactly. He's simply a moral coward when you get to the bottom of his personality, with a certain kind of Southwestern machismo- the more it gets challenged, the uglier and more arrogant it gets- to cover it. It's the opposite of actually being a gentleman.

And he has developed stroke personality over the years- and inability to suppress paranoia and anger when challenged. The Bush people needled him into displays of that in 2000 and that's how/why his candidacy fell apart after one or two less than fatal primary defeats. It's only gotten more apparent since.
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:15 PM
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16. John McCain Supports Torture.
McCain voted for Alberto Gonzales for AG knowing full well that Gonzales was the author of the administration memos authorizing torture at Gitmo and Abu Grhaib.

John McCain: Party before Principle.

(I'm a Navy vet...F.U. McCain)
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:02 AM
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42. hang him with this
deaths too good for his kind
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 04:03 AM
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43. Coming from the wife of a vet, you are SO right...
after McCain spent time in the Hanoi Hilton, how could he?
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:20 PM
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17. Yes, that one's a real puzzler.
I had heard some nice things about McCain, heard the moving speech he gave at the memorial for Mark Bingham of Flight 93, and I appreciate the hard work our Military does for us, so I was willing to give him a chance.

What a mistake that was! I'd understand if he was being employed in some way, as a corporate lackey would behave, but this is obscene!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:21 PM
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18. For me, it was the way he turned on Kerry
Saying that he was weary of Kerry mentioning their friendship, that they were not all that much more than collegues (that was usually the context in which Kerry would mention their friendship, actually).

Apparently he's only Kerry's friend when it suits him politically.

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:22 PM
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19. Rove's probably got a briefcase full of Keating Five dirt on McCain
Either that, or McCain has let his self-respect run down his leg after 2000.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:22 PM
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32. Yup, Keating and Cindy's drug issue / charity thingy. Rove's got em.
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xynthee Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:33 PM
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20. go to vote-smart.org
see http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0061103 for everything you ever wanted to know about McCain.

You can access his entire voting record (broken down by issue and year), his speeches and public statements, his ratings from various interest groups, his positions on the issues, etc.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:50 PM
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22. He "doesn't believe" the UK memo. nt
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:55 PM
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24. Well, sometimes torture isn't enough
to eradicate the 'entrepreneurial spirit' in some people.

I think that because John McCain was an MIA in VietNam (and was tortured by the Viet Minh for some years), -- never mind.

I can't comment on this situation. It's just too fraught with danger.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:42 PM
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28. repuke mindset: follow the leader. end of story. n/t
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 06:32 PM
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29. A few facts and a picture.
John McCain, Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7.

But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.

Here's what the AP's investigation found:McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary. The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law.

This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm

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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 06:52 PM
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30. The scariest thing for me is that he doesn't seem to know
who he is. He has a hard on for Rummy, even as recently as this week appearing on Imus and chanting what he refers to as Rummy's mantra: Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran (a take off on the Beachboy's song, Barbara Ann). But who does he think gives Rummy the right to carry off his shock and awe campaigns? The fact that his political drive allows him to disconnect these facts is scary.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:13 PM
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31. Speaking of McCain...
I can't recall his name right off.. (the guy from Phoenix who filled in for Big Eddie today...)

But wow.. he did an awesome job :thumbsup: !! He ripped McCain one side up and down because of the way he (McCain) responded to George Stephanopoulos a few days ago when he was asked about the Downing Street Memo.

Stephanopoulos reads one of the most damning lines from the memo to McCain. Then he asks him what in the hell was going on and why on earth it hadn't become MAJOR news.

McCain really stumbles when he tries to respond. Kind of a :silly: ..."badub, badub, badub, badub" sound..

In just a matter of a minute or less, McCain starts rambling mindlessly about how he didn't read the memo trying to claim unfamiliarity --- "Uh.. don't know nothin' about it" :silly:

...After more grilling by Stephanopoulos, McCain seems to forget that he said he didn't read the memo and gets defensive saying how he "DID NOT AGREE WITH THAT MEMO ONE BIT :mad: "

The guy who was doing the show later broadcasts a great bunch of clips from the Stephanopoulos/McCain interview that he put together. He keeps repeating McCain's claim of not having read it, with his seconds later claim of how he had not agreed with the memo.

When you listen to McCain on tape over and over and over making one claim, then evidently spacing out what he just said, it is hilarious!

I'm sorry I don't remember the radio guy from Phoenix' name who filled in today.. but Eddie should be proud of the job he did! ~~~~ :kick: He was great!

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:22 PM
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33. Charles Goyette--very Libertarian, and not everyone's cuppa tea,
but I listen in the mornings on the way to work.

He was fired by a moderately (we have the full RW spectrum in Phoenix!) RW station here for very, very vocally expressing his opposition to the Iraq invasion. He was picked up almost immediately by our local AAR (a miracle we have even that).

He was named by the leading alternative newsletter as the best local talk show in Phoenix.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:28 PM
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35. Thanks for the info!
I wouldn't have remembered that name in a million years... :shrug:

Seems like a lot of the Arizona callers who phoned in like him a lot..

I don't know anything about him, but I sure loved the way he set McCain straight!

That, and he gave some rightwing ReTHUGS some major crap when they (as they so often do) confused the reason for going to war with Iraq with the 911 attack. He set them straight! ;)
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AtTheEndOfTheDay Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:27 PM
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34. genetics
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:34 PM
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36. John McCain is an asshole...
Wait, make that a first-class asshole. He made fun of Chelsea Clinton's looks when she was a teenager. Rush Limpballs did that too but you'd expect it from a pig like Rush. Everybody who listened to him seemed to find it amusing. Disgusting.

When he was running for the presidential nomination in 2000, he called Asians "chinks." That comment hardly caused a blip in the "liberal" media. If Bill Clinton had said that, the Republicans would have investigated that ad nauseum and tried to find a way to indict him for it.

John McCain was a prisoner-of-war in Vietnam but that was the only noble thing he can lay claim to IMHO. He's just like any other opportunistic Republican.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:22 AM
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39. McCain will never be Repug Nom...even though he sucks Chimp's dick
I have no idea how McCain sleeps at night knowing that he continues to suck up to Chimpy even after his name, his reputation, his family and his military career was TRASHED by Chimpy in 2000.

I'd have Chimpy not be allowed a couple miles from me if I were him...
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:49 AM
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41. I know, right? I wouldn't care how loyal I was to my
party. If somebody from that party did to me what Dumbass did to McCain, I would never in one billion years be hugging and kissing him at the convention. I wouldn't care what they had on me.

Kinda makes you wonder what exactly Rove does have on him (besides what was stated above). It would have to be pretty freaking bad to have McCain taking it up the ass so hard from Dumbass.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:14 AM
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44. These are great.
Keep it coming if you can think of more! Thanks!
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:40 AM
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45. I wouldn't say whore its more a case of Battered Wife Syndrome. He's still
bedfellows with his old SnL scandal buddies because they'll throw him back in the Hanoi Hilton if he steps out of line.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:38 AM
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46. Most whores are whores...
because they need to feel love and effection in the easiest way possible.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 03:49 PM
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48. He stabbed his friend John Kerry in the back
By denying that they were ever friends (a lie) and then allowing Bush to yank him around on a leash like a dog. I heard that he came crawling back to Kerry after the election, calling him, leaving messages, trying to get back in his good graces, but Kerry would have none of it. Serves the bloody fucking whore right. I hope he gets what he deserves.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:23 PM
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49. WTF?! He actually tried crawling back to Kerry after that?
Did he think this was the prom king election? Does he not understand the hell he helped unlease with his spineless, pansy-ass kiss up to BushCo? This is making me sick.
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BloodForOil Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:26 PM
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50. McCain is lost
Except hes the sort of 'moderate Democrat' we're going to be getting in the next few years at this rate lol. Every time the DLC talks about moving to the centre, the centre moves to the fucking right. Move to the center, dammit! You crossed the fucking line decades ago.
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