The Fractured Black Caucus: RW taking over the CBC?

[Carolab]

http://www.blackcommentator.com/136/136_cover_black_caucus.html

[LSparkle]

1. Wait a minute -- they were in fighting form this a.m.

at a press conference with Reid and Schumer -- read a letter they've signed and sent to Frist re f-buster.

[katinmn]

2. I hope it's not the case. But anything's possible w/the RW money machine

from the website:

Disastrously, progressive African American politicians, representing the overwhelmingly progressive Black public, fear to challenge the sell-outs, lest the veneer of Black unity be tarnished. As a result, the malefactors are allowed not only free reign to market their treachery, but are afforded a de facto veto over the CBC’s collective decision-making. The Congressional Black Caucus has been paralyzed, as if bitten by a venomous snake.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

The CBC certainly isn't diminishing the stereotype that they can be bought

[noiretextatique]

what stereotype is that exactly?

and how does is differ from any of the other jackasses in dc?

[Bridget Burke]

6. "Stereotype" ???

Will they be paid with fried chicken & watermelon?

Please explain.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

21. Yes, stereotype. Did you listen to Al Sharpton at the Convention?

[noiretextatique]

25. i am not sure what you mean

whatever it is, would you let us in on it? thanks.

[bvar22]

27. I listened to Al Sharpton at the convention.

I stood and cheered. He and Barak Obama brought tears to my eyes and delivered the most pertinent and issues oriented speeches at the convention.
I wish we had 100 more Al Sharptons delivering the Democratic Party message.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

28. Then you heard him talk about...

Republicans not being able to "buy Black votes". He spoke at great length on this subject. And the reason he did so is because there is a stereotype that black votes can be merely bought.

People can shoot the messenger all they wish, but the stereotype DOES exist. Ignoring the elephant in the room does not make it disappear.

edit: For the record, the other person who responded to me is on my ignore list, which is why I haven't replied.

[salin]

32. Aside from reading your posting, here...

in twenty years of watching politics, I have never heard that stereotype.

Interesting question - is it a stereotype when it is held by one? Or would that be a monotype? (eg instead of being played in in stereo - being played singularly)

I took the reference of sharpton to mean the infamous incident either back in 1992 or 1996 where a long time GOP operative (can't remember his name but he used to be closely allied with Roger Aisles, now head honcho of faux news) - was found to have paid a number of black ministers in, I believe New Jersey, to try to send mix messages in order to either depress the black vote, or/and to get some votes to go for the repub.)

Or the efforts in the Louisiana runoff senate election in 2002 by GOP operatives to pay some black youth to stand along major thoroughfares on election day with signs stating "What have you done for US, Landrieux" ... that effort was intended (but failed) to depress the black vote.

Of course Rush does float one stereotype again and again - that blacks vote for democrats because of social programs (but that goes down a line of ugly, thinly veiled racist diatribes that he regularly works into his spew.) But aside from rush callers, I can't think of any references that would suggest a widely-held stereotype (and I do tend to think of the term stereotype to refer to something that is believed by many...eg widely held).

just my two cents.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

33. So watching "Meet the Press" for twenty years makes you omniscient?

And no, the Sharpton reference is to when he spent about ten minutes in his 2004 convention speech on how Black votes couldn't be bought. What, exactly, do you think he was addressing then?

Sorry, but you have no basis for inferring that I am a racist just because YOU hadn't heard that one before. Not my fault your head is stuck in the sand. And further, isn't there a distinct difference between talking about a stereotype and acting on it? Or are we no longer able to discuss matters of race without being labeled a racist? Ever heard of "don't shoot the messenger"? Guess not.

[noiretextatique]

3. oh for pete's sake...it's the RW of the Democratic Party

aka the DLC. it's pretty clear from the article, and this is not the first time black commentator (and others) have issued a warning about this. it's the same folks who triangulated bush, inc into (stealing) office.

[paineinthearse]

4. Hogwash

They were 100% behind Reid this morning.

[Ysolde]

5. It sounded eeriely familiar

I read it and it reminded me of the DLC and their betrayal of true Progressiveism. I totally agree that Progressives have got to get out there and fight the "move to the Right" by any Dem politician. If you aren't Progressive, then we need to put up primary opponents against you, no matter the color of skin. I truly want more people of color, more women, and more young people in the Dem party. We won't get any of that if we keep pandering to the Right.

[AUYellowDog]

8. I must admit

I must admit that they shouldn't have to vote together. People have to be able to vote their conscience and not heel to the pressure of an organization. They are there to represent their constituents. On the other hand, I have a feeling that their constituents would be mighty pissed about them allowing racist judges onto the bench. They shouldn't be forced to vote in a bloc, but at this time, the issue calls for every senator to vote against the :nuke: option.

Brandon

[ClassWarrior]

10. Who's forced?

They choose to vote en bloc. That's why they're called a caucus.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

7. I don't see it. This article may be disinfo.

We should definitely be on the alert for this kind of thing, but I haven't seen a bit of it yet.

NGU.

[hedda_foil]

9. For background info, go to this story in last month's BC.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/138/138_cover_cbc_clones.html

[noiretextatique]

17. i'm afraid context is lost here

they see "conservative" and think "republican"...not DLC.

[beaconess]

11. The Black Commentator is hardly a reliable observer of the CBC

[FrenchieCat]

12. My opinion as well (n/t)

[Stinky The Clown]

13. Yeah, I love how when one black person says something

lotsa (usually white) people assume he speaks for all people of color.

How about ...... black people are people first .... as in ..... 'minds of their own'?

I'm just sayin' ..........

[beaconess]

14. Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?

:spank:

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Uh .... not Willis ....... Rick James

:)

[noiretextatique]

19. the black commentator is not one black person

it is an online magazine, much like any other out there.
what this story is about is the fact that the CBC had been overrun with DLC conservacrats who are voting for republican legislation, and doing so against the best interests of many of their constiuentts...like the bankruptcy bill that many here didn't like. perhaps some of them are constiuents of the CBC members, but i seem to recall a lot of outrage about democrats voting for that bill...it applies the the CBC as well.
the last thing america needs, and most certainly black america, is more "independent thinkers" like clarence thomas and condeleza rice posing as democrats.

[beaconess]

23. I know what the Black Commentator is - I'm quite familiar with it

and that's why I don't take it seriously.

[noiretextatique]

24. what do you mean by that word *seriously*?

you can't dismiss voting records. btw, my reply was to you pal Husb2Sparkly's post, not to yours.

[noiretextatique]

16. it reliably observed their votings records

on the three bills mentioned in the article, including the bankruptcy bill. and it reliably mentioned that the body is not as progressive as it once was now that it's been overrun by the DLC conservatives.
bc makes no bones about it's left-leaning perspective.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

29. It's been reported in The Hill and Roll Call as well.

It's true. Like it or not.

[bvar22]

18. This is not a BLACK issue:

It IS a Democratic Party issue:

You could remove the word "black" and insert "Democratic" and the statement would be as valid!


<snip>
"There’s nothing wrong with Black voters. The fault lies with Black leadership, which is more responsive to money and corporate media than to their constituents, who are ill-served by Black media and largely unaware that they are being betrayed. Just as critically, there is no mechanism to fund progressive challengers who might cauterize the deep wounds that have been inflicted on the CBC and Black electoral politics, generally."
<end>

[noiretextatique]

20. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

i don't know why its news (to some) that the CBC is as guilty of failing its constiuents as is the demcoratic party.

[bvar22]

22. Looks like the TRUTH...

...stopped this thread in its tracks.

[noiretextatique]

26. take a look at the voting records of *some* CBC members

i can understand why DLCers dismiss the BC as "unreliable," but someone actually claimed this article might be "disinformation," which tells me s/he didn't bother to read it. why is it so difficult for some to believe that not all democrats are progressive or even liberal, even some black ones?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

30. Democrats as a whole are not abandoning the Unions for WalMart.

While the quote you listed might be true if you put "Democrats" in, putting it into the context of this issue makes it completely untrue.

[libertypirate]

31. The mention of this is a tactic...

So the "Information Brokers" can keep their storylines. You know both parties have to be fractured so they can be regarded as the same ilk. Have you ever noticed the two week lag in the reporting of a high profile story?

First the setup and then you will hear about the splintering in both parties, so that the republicans don't look like they are comming apart at the seams. All though this time the CBC is not going to be enough, they have clearly committed war crimes.

These are also the only people holding BushCo accountable. They like to try and make their opposition strengths become weeknesses. It is not real it's just a perception.