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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:55 PM
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"I am tired of being lectured to about moral values by a corrupt party,"
said Howard Dean.

I love that line!!

Dean revs up Young Dems with GOP rhetoric
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0519dean19.html
Notice the new meme? Dean is not "angry" anymore. He's stealing GOP rhetoric. :eyes:

In language strikingly similar to Republican rhetoric, Democratic Party leader Howard Dean said Wednesday in Phoenix that Democrats are the party of "moral values," "individual freedom," "personal responsibility" and "fiscal conservatives."

"I am tired of being lectured to about moral values by a corrupt party," the former Vermont governor and 2004 presidential candidate told a cheering assembly of 300 members of the Young Democrats of Arizona.

Dean alluded to record budget deficits, the lack of health care for many Americans, the absence of a renewable-energy policy, and ethics problems faced by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay as examples of Republican corruption of ideals. advertisement

He said his own party's moral values include making sure children are fed, health care is available for all, Americans respect differences in race, ethnicity and sexual orientation, and the nation "leads (the world) by example."

"Republicans talk about government being too big, but they didn't think it was too big to tell us what we could do when our loved ones are on the verge of death," Dean said, referring to the intervention of the GOP-dominated Congress in trying to prevent the death in March of brain-damaged Terri Schiavo.

"I want families to make those kinds of decisions, not Tom DeLay and the boys in Congress," Dean told the gathering at the Burton Barr Central Library.

"It is the Democrats who will allow individual freedom and personal responsibility to have some sway once again."
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:58 PM
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1. Excellent, and nominated!!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:58 PM
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2. So...Galloway-esque!
Edited on Thu May-19-05 12:59 PM by rocknation
:loveya:
rocknation
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:02 PM
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4. Dean is of Scottish heritage and in Galloway's approach to our Senate
cockroaches, I see a hint of Dean's style. Confrontation seems to be a Scottish male style, at lest for those Scotsmen prone to politics.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:05 PM
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8. I've know 2 Scotts VERY WELL, and I think it's part of their being.
One of those Scotts I know, I worked for for 10 years! Once you get to know them and they trust you, there's no more loyal friend you'll ever find, but it's tough acquiring that status.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:29 PM
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26. ...and it's not..

just the Scottish males...lol.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:59 PM
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3. Go Dean go!
You tell em.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:02 PM
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5. Make sure you watch him on MTP on Sunday! He's on the whole hour!!!
I heard about him being a guest on MTP on a DU post yesterday, but there's been an ad on TV stating he's on for the whole hour!

GO FOR IT HOWARD!!!!
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:10 PM
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12. Yes, madfloridian confirmed that he's on for the whole hour
Awesome!
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Ysolde Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:02 PM
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6. Bless him!
I think I will forward this article to my uncle-in-law who lives in Arizona. He needs to hear these things!

Dean rocks!

:headbang:
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:04 PM
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7. Excellent! Now let's spend the $20 bucks to make 400 copies and get
that into EVERY national Dem's hands!

I too am sick and tired of being lectured about morals by a corrupt and morally bankrupt republican party!!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:06 PM
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9. That was his best line! He got a standing ovation for it!
BTW, there were NOT 300 young Dems. There were probbly 30 but there were 300 of us in the audience! He also said we would never win by being "Republicans!"That was a great line too!
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:14 PM
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10. HoDean

Is starting to grow on me. He can be somewhat of a loose-cannon, but damned if that's what we need.

Their (Republicans) loose cannons are the ones who fuel their party and lead it onto election victories. I don't think Dean will do a lot to get Repukes to vote Dem, but I think he could get some in the middle back and he may fire up some non-voters to get active.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:16 PM
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11. "Tom DeLay and the boys in Congress"
He makes them sound like a crime mob, which of course they are!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:14 PM
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13. Absolutely!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:17 PM
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14. So that's what Rush was talking about
Edited on Thu May-19-05 02:19 PM by ComerPerro
I heard him during lunch complain about Dean calling Rethugs corrupt.

Here's what I don't get:

Whats so wrong about calling the GOP corrupt? They are!

What's so wrong about saying Bush is a liar, or that he lied about WMD? He is! He did!

Moreover, the RW and people like Rush certainly had (and still have) no problem calling Dems immoral, corrupt, and liars. He does it daily!


EDIT: BTW, good for Dean. I completely agree. I am sick and tired of being lectured on morality by spousal abusers, sex fiends, and crooks.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:26 PM
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18. Novak column today is about Dean
Edited on Thu May-19-05 02:27 PM by Synnical
http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak19.html

Dean vs. Russert: It'll be a scream

After Howard Dean last weekend declared Tom DeLay ought to be in jail, a longtime Democratic operative told me the party's national chairman had momentarily ripped off his muzzle but that it soon would be restored. My source erred, however, in believing that Dean ever had been muzzled. It's just that nobody has paid much attention to his rants.

<snip>

Dean's election by the DNC membership was a case of the inmates seizing control of the asylum.

<snip>

He was not. He has described the Republican leadership, in various venues, as ''evil,'' ''corrupt'' and ''brain-dead.'' He has called Sen. Rick Santorum, chairman of the Senate Republican Conference, a ''liar.''

<snip>

National chairmen are supposed to fire up the troops, but Dean's rhetoric crosses a line. What he said was too much even for so tough a partisan Democrat as Rep. Barney Frank, who attended his state's convention in Lowell and was appalled by Dean's language.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Edit to add link
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:38 PM
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21. Yeah he was mentioning Novak
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 08:01 PM
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27. Listen to them squeel
Dean makes them squeel real good..:-)
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:52 AM
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33. The DNC Fights Back and responds to "Nofacts"
Bob Novak: Never In History Has One Man Been So Wrong, So Many Times, In Front of So Many People
http://www.democrats.org/news/200505190003.html

Washington, DC - Bob Novak, conservative columnist and commentator, recently wrote yet another blatantly partisan column attacking DNC Chairman Governor Howard Dean. In his column Novak attacks Dean for his "misstatements," and leaps to the defense of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who is currently under investigation. However, close examination of Novak's record shows that he has on many occasions uttered what one only hopes are misstatements.

"We must be doing something right if Bob Novak feels the need to come to Tom DeLay's rescue. All we ask is that he remember to use the correct facts," said DNC Communications Director Karen Finney.


NOVAK HAD TO CORRECT HIS MISSTATEMENTS ON NATIONAL TELEVISION
NOVAK GETTING IT WRONG: hey've got to really get Howard under control. He spoke at Cornell University last week, and the only paper that covered this was "The Cornell Daily" student paper, and he said, yes, Social Security has a big problem. …. The Democratic line is there is no problem.

NOVAK CORRECTING HIMSELF: Yes, on Monday, I said — I misspoke myself. I said that the new Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean had said in a speech at Cornell University that the Social Security fund in 30 years would be 80 — would lose 80 percent of its value."


MORE "INTEMPERATE LANGUAGE" NOVAK SHOULD FIND TIME TO CORRECT
Novak Compared Senate Filibusters to Holocaust. In an interview on CNN, Bob Novak compared Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's rejection of a Democratic compromise on the nuclear option to the Holocaust.

HUNT: Bob, why would Senator Frist refuse an offer to break the deadlock?
NOVAK: Because the whole system is that you're not going to have — like going to a concentration camp and picking out which people go to the death chamber.

<SNIP>
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:23 PM
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25. The truth hurts
they are a bunch of corrupt, amoral, incompetent liars.

In 50 years that will be the dictionary definition of our current slate of republicans.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:22 PM
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15. There goes Dean, shooting off his mouth again
And I hope he never stops!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:24 PM
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16. Yay Dean!
Great line's and so true. Hopefully we can take back the government in 2006.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:25 PM
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17. Give 'em hell, Howard
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:29 PM
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19. Ironic, isn't it?
That the guy who hasn't made a career in politics, knows how to play the game of politics the best?

Go Howard!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:33 PM
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20. I think that's the very reason he does know how to play!
The career politicians all do the smae thing because that's what they've learned to do. The new kid on the block only knows his gut, and speaks what he feels!
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:39 PM
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22. Precisely
Thats similar to how the Republicans shaped the debate in 1994, by playing themselves up as "outsiders". Of course, Dean isn't an "outsider", he knows the game and knows that we have to write a whole new playbook to defeat this regime. Im impressed with him, so much that I will be planning on donating to the DNC soon!
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:57 PM
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23. Excellent example of the art of framing! Love this guy. n/t
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:15 PM
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24. We're living in Upside-Down World.
Bushco pushed everything so far to the right, what used to be middle, or middle-right is now left. Democrats are talking like conservatives and the Republicans think they're gods. Where do we go from here? I don't know, but I do know we're looking pretty good to a lot of folks right now.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:09 PM
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28. Now that's the way to kick some Repuke a**
...that's why I love Dean!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:11 PM
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29. Well, good for him.
Let's have more of the same--don't stop now.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:17 PM
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30. If it weren't for that man, I would not be a Democrat
Hell, I wouldn't even be a DUer or interested in Politics. I didn't feel that anyone in power from either party would listen to someone like me. And then I found Howard Dean. It's nice to see a Dem actually listen to the people and tell it like it is without a lot of wonkish fluff.

I'm proud to be a Dean Democrat. Now we're all in the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.

In the words of our fearless chairman, YEARGH!!!

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:32 PM
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31. Talk about THE MEMO Dr. Dean!!!!! Just mention it. 15 seconds is all I ask
Edited on Thu May-19-05 09:33 PM by Dr Fate
Come 'mon- mention it- just once. It fits right in with what you are saying- and would prove your point. It's topical too!

Are ya chicken or somthing?

What gives? Little help???
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:34 PM
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32. This is why I'm glad "Dean's" in charge! Go Dean!
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:55 AM
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34. The right man at the right time.
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