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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:51 PM
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Do you agree with Galloway that we were right and they were wrong?
on the war? It's pretty obvious now, isn't it? Over 1600 dead Americans and 20,000 seriously or permanently injured. Over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Six-hundred billion dollar deficits. Gasoline at 2.50 per gallon. Who was right and who was wrong? Do you feel like telling them to their faces, just like Galloway did? We were right and you were wrong. You believed the lies. We tried to tell you.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:54 PM
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1. I felt like he was speaking for me
And that felt so good. I've emailed, called and sent snail mail. But hearing him say it there in the committee room was the best.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:55 PM
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2. What's sad about this . . .
Or rather, one of the many sad things, is that tens of Democratic Senators voted to give Schimpanski the authorization to do whatever he pleased, KNOWING the intelligence was faked and Saddam was no threat.

But because of political expediency, as they saw it, they voted yes anyway.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:57 PM
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3. I think some have admitted they made a mistake...
when they believed the "intelligence" from the WH.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:15 AM
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26. and if the war were going well
Edited on Thu May-19-05 07:23 AM by GreenArrow
they wouldn't admit any "mistakes"...even though the justifications for the war would not stop being bogus.

They knew, and they voted for it anyway.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:57 PM
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4. I just finished watching his statement and it was awesome...
That has to be the best hearing I have ever watched. He threw shit right in thier faces and they could respond. It was fantastic. Damn straight, he was right and we need to figure out a way to start electing people with his backbone.

The only thing that ttoubled me was his statement that he was not concerned about his freind taking offering a kickback to Saddam to participate in the program. It was minor because I could see he was being truthful but I would have a problem with a freind of mine participating in a program that I stongly opposed. Other than that, I thought he was marvelous.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:55 AM
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20. Actually
he was fighting the U.S. politicians' propensity to setup a straw man, a "have you stopped beating your wife" type of question in order to discredit a witness or opponent.

George Galloway wasn't about to fall for that line of bullshit.

He gave a complete answer that what the U.S. has done in Iraq;

supplying arms and gas to Saddam for years to use against the
Iranians and the Kurds (while the Iranians were also getting some
arms from Reagan/Bush),

murdering 1,000,000 Iraqis, mostly children, with their sanctions,

then killing another 100,000 people with this latest invasion and
occupation

How Fawwaz Zurayqat got the 300,000 Pounds he gave the Miriam Fund rather pales into insignificence.

As for the Oil for Food program, it was the only sanctioned way that the Iraqi people could be aided during the brutal, unnecessary sanctions against the Iraqi people.

GOD, how I hope other "witnesses" in the Senate and House fire back as well as George Galloway has.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=639588


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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:58 PM
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5. I've ALWAYS believed that.
I was on this bandwagon in 2000. I predicted what would happen if Bush got in, and I have nearly been totally correct. I did however expect Martial Law to win him the 2004 elections, not massive election fraud.

I would love to buy Galloway a pint.
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:24 AM
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27. AFAIK
Galloway is tee-total.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:02 AM
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6. Does anyone have a link for this discussion?
I've been hearing about it and would like to listen. Thx.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:12 AM
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7. Galloway vs. The US Senate: Transcript of Statement
Published on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 by the Times Online (UK)

Galloway vs. The US Senate: Transcript of Statement

George Galloway, Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, delivered this statement to US Senators today who have accused him of corruption


I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims did not have weapons of mass destruction.

I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda.

I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11 2001.

I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning.

Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0517-35.htm
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:32 AM
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9. Thanks!!!!
I'm glad he spoke up. I'm assuming this hasn't gotten much media attention!?!?!?!
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:23 AM
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8. I told them to their faces (via emails and telegrams) before the
invasion and right after it. Most the the information had been proven false before the invasion. However, Bush has lied about everything since he was in office. He did everything he could for 4 years to make sure Iraq had no way out. Our congressmen had to be idiots or pawns to fall for that.

And face it, if Blair knew it was false, even though he said otherwise, someone else in Britan had to know. Inf fact a lot of people had to know it was a set up. Even Novak had doubts.
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:38 AM
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10. Am I the only person on DU who actually believed
Bush about the WMD's? Well he lied and that is why I am here. Where are the rest of us?

Galloway and DU were right. People like me were wrong. There should be an army of people like me joining your ranks, be it on this website or just in spirit.

I hope more of us find our way here so we as a country can get out of this mess.

Again, anybody else out there who actually believed Bush in the beginning?

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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:15 AM
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13. Probably not. But look on the bright side - you've allowed facts
into your mind rather than believe the lies. Welcome. Some of us have been fighting repubs since 1981. A lot of us remember Vietnam which helps a lot into seeing what was going on and is going on. We've been there. We've seen the gov't lie. We can smell crap when it's put in front of our noses.
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:30 AM
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16. I actually have always been a dem.
Extremely apolitical but a dem nonetheless. My point is that the lack of WMD's should've brought more than one person to this website.

I know now that R's will 'tow the line' no matter how thick the bullshit. Can America possibly be divided into three camps;
1. those who smelled the BS from the gitgo, 2. those who have spewed the BS from day one, and 3. me?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:20 AM
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14. I believed Bush and Powell *before* the war...
myself... but soon after the war (regrettably) I started seeing the light... No... you're not alone.

I still can't believe that Powell lied like he did. It was just unfathomable to me... still is.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:50 AM
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11. During the run-up
to the war, I was in demonstrations in a small town. People wanted to argue/confront us about the war and our protest.

I said to anyone who'd listen that if Bush went to war and everything turned out OK,- like Bush and the neocons said - I'd stand on the same corner with a big sign that said "I Was Wrong". ... if they'd promise to do the same if the whole thing turned into a mess.

You know the story, of course...

I've approached several of the people I spoke to... it's a small town after all... and not one of them wants to talk. Some say "it's not over yet... we could win yet". Some say that I'm gloating. Some say something like "Well, it's bad, but we've got to support the troops."

Nobody even remotely connected with this mis-administration will ever admit this thing is a clusterfuck.
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:00 AM
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12. Those SOBs would join us here if
true patriotism were alive in America. I believed the shrubs BS in the beginning. Is there anybody else on DU willing to admit that? I think it would be sad, sad commentary if I am the only one here.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:25 AM
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15. I guess it's easier for me to admit it...
as I'm not a Democrat, but rather a left-leaning independent who usually votes for Democrats. I won't be running for office in the Democratic Party so I won't have to ever face (politically speaking) my pre-war ignorance. :)
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:39 AM
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18. Phew... just glad to know that I'm not the only one
on here. Now where are the rest of us?
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:53 AM
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19. I believed the WMD..
story. If I'd been Saddam, I sure as hell would have an arsenal designed to hurt an invader.

I doubted a little, since if Bush sent US troops into a WMD battlefield and took shitloads of casualties, people in this country might blame him for putting our troops into that mess. Then I remembered they are ALL chickenhawks, and casualties aren't real to them.

I couldn't imagine even those bastards would lie like that.

And they still aren't being held to account.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:35 AM
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17. Could you imagine....
Just imagine that statement, exactly as he delivered it, looking directly into their eyes as he did ....

.....coming from the voice of our presidential candidate in 2004 to Bush?

People would have been like.... =WOW= :o :o :o :o "He spoke for ME"

I'm sorry.. but that answer = x( = ..."knowing what you know today-----that THERE WAS NO WMD, would you have still have voted to invade Iraq"

:cry: Senator Kerry.. why? Just---- why ----- :cry:

If all charges are dropped on Galloway.. and it looks like it's heading that way per different news accounts..

..I wonder if he's busy in 2007? We could use his expertise for about a year... ;)
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:04 AM
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24. Yes, I can imagine ...
If Al Gore is the Democratic candidate for President in 2008.

Gore has always spoken out against the Bush Administration's foreign policy. And against their other policies too! :)

http://www.algore-08.com
http://algore2008.net/
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:04 AM
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21. part of my email to Galloway thanking
him for appearing
"...There are millions of persons opposing the current crop of criminals installed in Washington, D.C. Our numbers and voices are: ignored by the corporate media; we are ridiculed as conspiracy nuts; labeled unpatriotic because we opposed an illegal invasion; call treasonous when we demonstrate against a continued occupation that has shown no sign of abating; portrayed as sore losers because we dare expose voting irregularities; and completely disgusted at the continuing cascade of lies, fabrications, deliberate distortions, half truths and conscious
obfuscation.

I love my country but am ashamed of my government. Yesterday, your strong, unapologetic voice afforded me a moment to rejoice and shout in agreement, 'Take that, you greedy, neo-con warmongers! Take a lesson you spineless democrats.'

Thank you for that moment..."

gallowayg@parliament.uk
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 06:43 AM
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22. Where are our alleged 'leaders' of the 'opposition' and why aren't they
forcefully demanding accountability and stating the truth?
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 06:59 AM
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23. Do you really have to ask? n/t
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:12 AM
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25. it's obvious. It was obvious during the primaries and election
They were wrong. We were right. Even during the primary season, it was obvious, and even though 95 percent of delegates to the DNC wanted anti-war language in the platform, they couldn't even get that small concession.
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