DUers, wanna help me out here?

[MessiahRp]

http://boards.wfwa-online.com/viewtopic.php?t=4221

This board is crawling with Freepers who I have been battling for quite awhile on their shifting ideas of why we went to war. I am outnumbered and exhausted mentally from arguing with them.... I could use a few good allies to come over from DU and help me out in setting these guys straight.

Will Freepers ever admit they're wrong? No, but the argument is much more credible when it's not four or five against one tired Dem. :)

Rp

[trumad]

1. Will Freepers ever admit they're wrong?

Uhhh no.. hence you're waisitng your precious mind.

[MessiahRp]

2. I know but I still don't want to lose the battle completely either

Especially because I can think of at least a few people that are there and moderate and open to discussion.

Rp

[iamjoy]

3. Try This

post: 20 people dead in riots incited by a story Newsweek ran that turned out to be false and later retracted.

Way to go, jackasses

RESPONSE: 1600+ (Americans) dead in a war presumably because of reports about weapons of mass destuction that turned out to be false, but never retracted

Way to go, jackasses

[MessiahRp]

7. I kind of did that response already

Didn't sink in, in fact it infuriated them. :)

Rp

[inthebrain]

10. Downing street memo

Post the Downing Street memo.

That should shut them up.

Also Scott Ritter and Joe Wilson have some good info on the subject.

Clarke and Oneill as well. Those two are much more credible and it's obvious, from the BAs smear tactics, they arent full of shit.

[iamjoy]

4. Another One

If there are all these justifications that supposedly the original premise was correct, why does the Administration keep changing the premise? Doesn't Dubya have any backbone? If there are all these sources that say Iraq really was a threat, why don't the neo-cons stick to their original story?

[MessiahRp]

5. The funny thing is

He's trying to act like that IS the original story...

Rp

[kliljedahl]

6. Give it up

I looked & found no rationality to that site. They still believe professional wrestling is real? That's all I got out of it. Why do you even go there?


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[MessiahRp]

9. It's a fantasy wrestling site...

My friend is a part of it so when they post Republican BS he asks me to go over and debunk it, which usually I do quite easily but I am exhausted today and the fight is not fair.

Rp

[beam me up scottie]

8. Give up man.

Seriously. Half of these people are criminally insane and the best that can be said for the rest of them is they're suffering from cognitive dissonance.
You gotta pick your battles. It ain't worth it.

[inthebrain]

12. Give up?

Guess what!!!!!

That's exactly what they want you to do!!!!

The debate you se on these message boards arent about setteling the argument for Cons. It's about keeping the argument going!!!!

In other words, to lead you to a point where you give up. YOu may not change thier minds (a lot of them are shills. I can offer up examples) but you can lead them a space where they look completely foolish if you stay on message.

Just pound them with facts. The most they can respond with are rhetorical questions.

Besides, the best way to have at em is to get in their face every chance you get. They know this, that's why when you offend their idiot leader they get all bitchy.

For them it's about making the lie convincing.

[beam me up scottie]

15. That is not what they want.

They want to force me to believe as they do. And it will never happen as long as I breathe.
My point is that you cannot save cult members.
It is counterproductive and exhausting to try.
Anybody who truly wanted to know the truth left that place long ago.
They are looking for someone to beat up because bullies get off on that.

[inthebrain]

17. You get the "speak softly" part

How about learning to "carry a big stick?"

What ever happened to that idea that used to be the strength of the democratic party?

My point is this, you may never be able to fully stop the bully. What you can do is keep them in check. These people are cult members and attack in packs. They dont just do it on message boards, they do it to the media as well. They have a talent for taking a small group of people and making it sound like they are the majority.

They may be cult members but they arent very bright. Never back down from these bullies. You give them an inch and they will take a mile. Believe it or not, this effort that they put across on these message boards are organized.

You dont have to convert them and they certainly won't convert you. what you can do, and is highly effective, is to speak truth to them and allow them to come off as the nutjobs they are. Believe me, people do wander message boards and read what they say.

Those are the people you will influence. These right wing whackos know that as well.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Trust me, I'm a scrapper.

Just ask the atheists on this board.
I'm an ex-Marine, I can fight like a tiger when I need to.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't need to fight these neanderthals on their turf. It is a waste of energy, IMHO.
People read DU because they want to know what the issues are.
I don't think people who go to freeper forums care about issues.
They just want to parrot the reichwing and and pat each other on the ass for being so clever.
To go there would be suicide. I never hesitate when I see the opportunity to inform and enlighten. There is just nothing to work with there. They've had lobotomies, every last one.
I will never change them and I don't want to try.
When the time to fight comes, I'll be ready, don't worry.

[iamjoy]

11. And Let's Not Forget

When they talk about how Saddam was funding Palestinian suicide bombers that SO IS SAUDI ARABIA

When they talk about a free and democratic Iraq and a peaceful middle east making for a more secure America, what about a peaceful Africa? Hell, what about a peaceful Haiti? (I am too tired now to do the research, but isn't China, that's *Communist* China funneling money into Central and South America and the Caribbean?)

We should just try to understand the guidelines for using force. Is it weapons of mass destruction? If so, what about Iran and North Korea? Is it funding of suicide bombers, if so what about Saudi Arabia. Is it peaceful regions make America secure, what about our own backyard? Is it Saddam was a sadist who had to go? If so, what about Darfur (and Congo?)

(Interestingly enough, but not a good debate point, just for a dry laugh, there is Civil Unrest in Ivory Coast - a major chocolate growing country - one must wonder, if a woman were President would we be sending troops there? You know, screw oil, I've got PMS and you better not mess with my chocolate!)

[LittleClarkie]

13. There ya go. I got your back

"Yep, a severe case of "Pot, met Kettle" I'd say.

And since when was the Bush administration concerned with our image abroad or deaths due to lies? You mean someone out there still had a modicum of respect for us? Do tell."

It ain't much. But it's something.

[MessiahRp]

14. Thank you very much :)

I appreciate all the help I can get. I'm so worn out by extremist freepers.

Rp

[LittleClarkie]

18. And a bit more

Just to cover all that bullshit Jon is spewing:

"All that hard work, and all we had to do was turn toward North Korea or Iran, and we would have found WMD's aplenty.

Also, if the Bush administration was so proud of the justifications you just rattled off, why did the justification for war go from "looking for WMD's" to "war of liberation" because it sounded better. That little justification was esp. hypocritical considering we didn't give a rat's pattotie about those people living under a tyrant for over thirty years, and in fact, Saddam was our little buddy at one point.

Not to mention that if we're in the liberation business, there are a few countries we skipped along the way. I wonder why. Hmm. Could it be they didn't have any oil?

AND, WHERE THE FLYING FUCK IS Osama?! Oh, that's right. He's bin Forgotten."

The people in this thread are right. There's no convincing these people. But it does feel good to have a bit of a shout at them once in a while.

[TreasonousBastard]

16. You can't change their minds...

so why waste your time? You can't win an argument, or even a decent debate, on a discussion board. Especially a wrestling board.

Make your point and move on. If they answer, or call you out for not "defending your postion" or "citing" so what?

Nobody knows which of you is the precocious three-year-old or the Alzheimer's patient.