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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:35 PM
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Republicans want pro-rapist judge appointed. (Janice R. Brown)
From a San Jose Mercury News article dated 1/6/2003
State court defines rape

RULING: WOMAN MAY WITHDRAW CONSENT AT ANY POINT
By Michelle Guido
Mercury News

The California Supreme Court on Monday created one of the country's toughest standards on what constitutes rape, ruling that if a woman withdraws consent at any point during sex but her partner refuses to stop, it becomes rape.

The decision removes one of the last gray areas on a woman's right to say no. Rape crisis counselors hailed the ruling, saying it sends a bold message -- especially to young women who are sometimes confused about whether they can change their minds once a sex act is under way.

The 6-1 decision clears up conflicting definitions that California courts have grappled with in recent years. In 1985, an appellate court ruled that continuing after consent has been withdrawn during intercourse doesn't constitute rape, but in 2000, another California appellate court ruled that it did.

"Forcible rape occurs when, during apparently consensual intercourse, the victim expresses an objection and attempts to stop the act and the defendant forcibly continues despite the objection," Justice Ming W. Chin wrote in Monday's ruling.

Supreme courts in at least five other states have ruled it is rape if a woman withdraws consent at any time and her partner doesn't stop. But women's advocates caution that, particularly in rape cases in which the victim knows her offender, juries still will be faced with the difficult task of deciding whom to believe when it comes to consent.

<snip>

The justices upheld that decision, finding the girl "withdrew her consent and, through her actions and words, communicated that fact."

But the ruling still failed to define when the boy should have stopped, wrote Justice Janice Rogers Brown in a dissenting opinion.

"Ten seconds? Thirty? A minute? Is persistence the same thing as force?" she wrote. "And even if we conclude persistence should be criminalized in this situation, should the penalty be the same as for forcible rape?"



*link: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/4889062.htm


Yep, they want your up-or-down vote on the only member of the California Supreme Court who voted to overturn the rape conviction of a 17-year-old girl because she believed that the victim gave mixed messages to the rapist. That's moral values for you.

BTW, 6 of the 7 justices were appointed by a Republican governor. So any attempts to paint this court as a bunch of "looney lefties" is dead wrong.

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AUYellowDog Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:41 PM
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1. Sickening
Maybe it's just the southern gentleman in me (it can't be the godless babykilling communist that republicans think of me as), but that definition is very cloudy even. I live in a college town and I know girls who have been drugged and were unconcious during a rape. They can't refuse consent. The definition ought to be something along the lines of "anytime consent is not given or withdrawn". I disagree that this justice is "pro-rape" as the poster claims, but the justice definately needs a reality check. If signals are mixed, err on the side of caution and stop immediately.

Brandon
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:48 PM
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4. GOP has used harsh rhetoric for years.
We have to throw it back in their faces.

BTW, Welcome to DU AUYellowDog!:hi: If you don't mind me asking, how did find DU?
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AUYellowDog Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:58 PM
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6. Well...
A friend of mine just sent me the like for one of the "Top 10 Conservative idiots" a few months ago and I became addicted. I just got around to posting today. We're out of class and the College Dems doesn't have much going on at the moment since most folks are out for the summer, so I have plenty of free time.

Back to the discussion though. Republicans have used overly harsh rhetoric for the past couple of decades, but that doesn't mean we need to sink to their level. We need to call things as they actually are and not take the far right tactic of blowing thing out of proportion. I think that by being frank and honest with the American people, and not using fear-mongering, reactionary tactics like they do, we will be able to win back the White House and Senate.

Brandon
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:18 PM
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10. Welcome to DU!
How does a Democrat like you survive in Auburn ;)
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AUYellowDog Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:21 PM
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11. It's Magic
It involves lots of nicotine, good friends, the ability to argue well, and hope for a better future. Thanks for the welcome.

Brandon
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:32 PM
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13. If you've been reading the forum for awhile...
you are aware that there are often debates (ok, arguments) about whether or not Dems should sink to the level of Republicans. I happen to be part of the group that believes if Kerry had "sunk to their level" he would be President today. But back to the topic on hand. This women sided with the rapist on this case. In my book, that's pro-rapist. It may sound vicious, but sadly, it's true. It's not fear-mongering, it's laying the cards on the table. The Republicans acted despicably, and if telling it like it is sounds harsh, well, they brought it on themselves.

P.S. I hope I'm not discouraging you from posting. ;) There are lots of opinionated people here and we don't always agree...but it's a great place to hang out!

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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:42 PM
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2. Rape in mid coitis can and does happen...
If the woman is hurting for some reason and decides to stop, the partner must stop or he is sexually assaulting her.

Sorry to state the obvious, but...DUH! Janice Brown should be ashamed of herself.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:49 PM
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5. I witnessed her hearing on C-Span
She is a wak person. Her answers were so convoluted that most of the panel had looks of WTF? on their faces.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:45 PM
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3. great find: THANKS.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:59 PM
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7. I am suprised they havent said the reason why we won't confirm her is
because she is black....or have they played the race card yet?
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:11 PM
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8. A twofer...
They're playing the race card and the gender card.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:12 PM
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9. it also reeks of rove too.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:25 PM
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12. Nominated. n/t
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:36 PM
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14. Thanks Clarkie1!
:7
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:12 PM
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15. Unbelievable ...
She does a profound disservice to both her gender and her race. What a profound waste of humanity and high intelligence.

I've always wanted to believe that women are more nurturing than men. However, some of the GOP gals cured me of that hope. And this woman? Yikes!

Overall, she's a nasty piece of work. :scared:
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