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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:54 PM
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IMPORTANT: This supports the UK memo .. No National Intelligence Estimate
The recent UK memo included the "smoking gun" language that "the intelligence was fixed around the policy".

The following excerpt from a NY Times article of 9/11/2002 shows that there was no urgency at all to provide the rigorous testing of evidence against Saddam that should have occurred before the US invaded Iraq. Bush's demands that Congress pass the IWR were made BEFORE a current NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE was available to him. This proves he pre-judged the evidence to fit the outcome he was seeking.

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Source: http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/InfoWeb?p_action=doc&p_docid=101922A95788AB9D&p_docnum=1&p_queryname=2&p_product=NewsBank&p_theme=aggregated4&p_nbid=E55W4AGEMTExNjI3MTI2MC4xNTA5OTQ6MToxMjpuY2RtaW51dGVtYW4

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U.S. Lacks Up-to-Date Review of Iraqi Arms
New York Times, The (NY)
September 11, 2002
Author: ERIC SCHMITT and ALISON MITCHELL

Senior intelligence officials acknowledged today that the government had not compiled an updated, cross-agency assessment of Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons capacities, although the Bush administration is pressing for a quick statement of support for military action against Saddam Hussein.

Intelligence officials, responding to repeated complaints from Senate Democrats, said today that they were working on the authoritative document. The last such thorough assessment on Iraq's clandestine weapons was produced about two years ago, Senate and administration officials said today.<skip>

But the administration has not yet prepared what is called a national intelligence estimate, the intelligence community's most definitive written judgment on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. The document contains the coordinated intelligence assessments from the Pentagon, State Department, Central Intelligence Agency and other government entities and any significant dissenting views.<skip>

"What did we learn from Sept. 11? That we had a failure of coordination of America's intelligence capability," said Senator Richard J. Durbin, an Illinois Democrat on the Intelligence Committee. "Now we're being asked to consider going to war and vote on it within days, and we learn that our intelligence community has not coordinated their efforts to put together this critical document that's essential for us to make this decision."<skip>

But Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, said there was no cross-agency judgment on Iraq's unconventional arsenal. "What I'm looking for," he said, "is the latest compilation that cross-analyzes agency assessments, that really gives you the best, state-of-the-art, up-to-date, full analysis of where they are." The national intelligence estimate represents the consensus of the full range of intelligence agencies produced by a rigorous cross-agency review.<skip>


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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:59 PM
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1. Didn't Wolfowitz basically confirm this as well?
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
---Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:53 AM
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7. They could all agree on?
Edited on Tue May-17-05 12:53 AM by FreedomAngel82
I didn't know he was involved in the decision process to go to war.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 03:41 PM
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2. Don't forget Richard Clarke's and Paul O'Neill's books. All this
evidence supports the same thing - Bush lied on purpose!
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:05 PM
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3. Good supporting evidence
Also, keep in mind John Dean's "Worse than Watergate." He lays out how there were 2 caveats to bush's right to wage war. 1) He had to show that the country he wanted to invade was related to 9/11, and 2) he had tried to resolve issue through peaceful means.

These caveats still apply today to attacking Iran or whoever.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:16 PM
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4. DUPED!!!!
The Lame Stream Media for the most part does not wish to discuss it, neither do top Dems. The majority of the Amerikan people don't want to know about it either. It's too depressing and too late. The U.S. is stuck in Iraq for another 10 years so the reasons that got it there no longer matter.

Bush Junta Iraq Successes

Saddam will no longer sell Iraqi oil via the Euro.

A military foothold in the ME.

No countries will be able to buy Iraqi oil that the U.S. disapproves of.

The Multi-Intl. Oil Corps are reaping great profits, esp. Bush Junta fave ally Saudi Dicktatorshit.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 11:11 PM
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5. KICK-bot
why kick 'em yourself when you can hire KICK-bot ??
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:21 AM
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6. More supportive articles
Bush and Blair made secret pact for Iraq war: Decision came nine days after 9/11, Ex-ambassador reveals discussion (Guardian)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1185438,00.html

The Bush Intelligence Manipulation Scandal-documented by TruthIsAll
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1256201

Selective Intelligence by Seymour Hersh
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

Pentagon Muzzles CIA by Robert Dreyfuss
http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/22/dreyfuss-r.html
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 10:01 AM
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8. KICK!!!
:kick:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:14 AM
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9. Double kick.
:dem::kick:
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