Does anyone else think allowing Bolton confirmation might be a smart move?

[youspeakmylanguage]

1) Allow Bolton nomination.

2) Wait for Bolton's foot to wedge itself in Bolton's mouth. This will be a difficult step since Bolton's head is already wedged quite nicely up his a*s.

3) Shout from the rooftops far and wide exactly how Bolton's foot got there in the first place. Wait for Bolton to become the de-facto Tom Delay of the UN, just without the voting power.

Anyone else agree?

[Eagle_Eye]

1. No, we shouldn't just 'allow' Bolton to get through

While there is significant potential for him to make an ass of himself, the main stream news will never report it.

[Democracy White]

2. I agree wholeheartdly

[MODemocrat]

3. Yes, because he will self-destruct

There must be a method to the madness going on about his inevitible forthcoming confirmation, but I just can't make heads or tail of it.
Have the democrats completely lost their minds?

[Justitia]

8. Every Dem in committee voted "no" - they had nothing to do w/this.

They are out of power and powerless. I want to make this abundantly clear, as I fully expect Bolton to do something spectacularly aggressive on the world stage.

Every Democrat voted "NO" in committee today.

[MODemocrat]

38. Thank you for setting the record straight for me

This is one appointment I have really been frustrated about, and let my mind wander. I apologize for being tough on the Dems; but thought some of them were beginning to cave in. Now I'm proud of them again.
:hi: :thumbsup: :blush: :blush:

[youspeakmylanguage]

10. Can the democrats do anything about it?

Unless they can convince a number of Republican lawmakers to vote "no" or filibuster, they don't have a chance, do they?

[Justitia]

18. No. The Dems are powerless to stop this. Please world, remember this.

A note to the wise....the repubs would LOVE for Dems to filibuster this (and they should), so they can exercise the nuclear option and still make him Ambassador.

Their sheep have no understanding as to the potential carnage Bolton can do at the UN, so they will fully support the nuclear option over what they see as "only a diplomatic" post.

Unfortunately, we, as an ENTIRE country, will all face the blame for sending this man as our representative.

[Justitia]

4. No. This admin does not care how awful he is. He will damage us all

in the process. He is very intent on invading places like Iran, Syria and Cuba.

Make no mistake - Bolton in the UN is assured destruction.

I predict that we, American citizens, will have to rely on the community of nations to police and discipline John Bolton. He will do something so awful and egregious the rest of the world will be forced to respond. And we will be held responsible for bringing such a person to the United Nations as our representative.

[democracyindanger]

5. While, on the surface, that might not be a bad idea

it's not Bolton making a public ass of himself that causes worry--it's his repeated, demonstrated behind-the-scenes monkey wrenching which makes him dangerous.

[youspeakmylanguage]

7. Good point...

...although now that he is a public figure, I think the "little people" he steps on will be more likely to come forward.

[democracyindanger]

13. It's not just being a dick to subordinates

He has a penchant for deliberately blowing up diplomatic efforts.

[uppityperson]

6. Only if you want to make things bad enough to possibly change

but the problem is the destruction in the meantime.

Change will happen when things get bad enough. Are they bad enough yet? I don't know. If they get bad enough for change to happen, will we survive? I don't know.

In the meantime, no to Bolton.

[Al-CIAda]

15. Point taken. n/t

[babylonsister]

9. No, he will be a real danger. What little respect the US

has will be damaged should he get confirmed. I have no doubt he'd say and do the blivet's bidding regardless of whether it benefits the US.

[ComerPerro]

11. As long as the Dems all vote against him

That is the only way that your proposal would work.

We have to be on record as opposing Bolton.

Otherwise, they will just say "Both Democrats and Republicans supported Bush on this nomination"

[youspeakmylanguage]

17. I didn't think any Democrats supported him...

Any DINO's out there wavering?

[ComerPerro]

22. Not that I know of

I was just reffering to the original post, saying that Bolton will go through and it will be a disaster for Bush.

My point was, that's all well and good as long as no Dems vote for Bolton.

[knowbody0]

12. absolutely not

he represents us to the world

[youspeakmylanguage]

16. I though Dubya represents us to the world...

..and that's why we've become the world's obnoxious bully.

[Al-CIAda]

14. Personally I couldn't care less. This guy is so obnoxious and

screwed up, I have no doubt he will implode.

I'm more concerned with EXPOSING his PNAC's agenda, the STOLEN ELECTION he participated in, and the ongoing TREASON being committed through fabrications, lies and distortions perpetrated on the American idiots -sorry, American 'people'.

[dkofos]

24. You were right the first time

[housewolf]

19. Don't agree

Whoever is the UN ambassador represents the United States of America to the United Nations. That's all of us - you, me, the guy down the street, not just the administration.

He represents us whether we vote for him or not. It doesn't make sense to be happy that we'd be unleashing such a terror as Bolton onto the UN as our representative without fighting as hard as we can to prevent such a travesty.

Sorry but I just don't agree with supporting what's wrong in order to feel righteous later on.

[youspeakmylanguage]

20. I didn't say support, I said allow...

Big difference, but probably a moot point nonetheless.

[saskatoon]

41. Sorry but I just don't agree with supporting what's wrong in order to feel

Baloney. People in other countries know there are 2 parties in the U.S. and they recognize which is which, they are not as dumb as most of us are. They have a longer history and that gives them insight into a lot that we don't have

[Zenlitened]

21. Dems have to vote party-line "NO!" on this guy. But I don't think...

... this should be the focus of the filibuster fight. Save that for judicial nominees.

[MsTryska]

23. i normally would, but the stakes are too high....

my feeling is he's going there to hasten the march to Iran.

[EST]

26. You've put your finger on the most important problem with

this reprobate-he has demonstrated his willingness-nay eagerness-to distort intel and lie like the rest of these criminals in order to involve the US in yet another war. Little do those bastards understand that, not only is this sort of thing highly illegal and morally reprehensible, but we could LOSE! Those shitheads are totally oblivious to the fact that, should prince Bandar wind up owning the USA, all those unwise departures from ethical behavior might well result in about two hundred fifty million of us, no matter our politics, being tortured to death.

Immoral-unethical-dumb

[MsTryska]

31. WE definitely could Lose....

and get a draft in the bargain.

perhaps that would be enough for people to finally wake the hell up?


i don't know.

[GreenArrow]

25. doesn't much matter

Should Bolton not get in, an equally egregious creep is waiting in the wings. These guys won't be making policy, they'll be implementing it. Face it, the policy is not going to be good.

[rndmprsn]

27. i think alot of things are going to come out against bolton...

more of the wacko-mean stuff and also the larry flynt stuff might actually seep in a bit too...i think he's going to have a tough time getting confirmed after reading voinovich's statements etc...

[BlueManDude]

28. Yes. Bolton is a fool and he will further alienate Bush from the world

- this is a good thing. The UN job is a glorified messenger boy position. At least we can keep an eye on him now.

[Chemical Bill]

29. What could he do that the media would talk about?

He could blow up the world and the media would talk about Michael Jackson.

[youspeakmylanguage]

33. I thought the same thing...

...about Tom Delay.

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[K8-EEE]

30. Yes, And Then Let Larry Flynt Have At It....

and show everybody how "morally superior" the Bush Culture Of Thugs are.

[funflower]

47. Let Larry go after all of them

and uncover every dirty little skeleton they've got hidden in their closet right behind the Bible they never actually read.

[spooky3]

32. I'd say Dems win either way

I'd prefer that enough moderate Republicans join them in the Senate to vote the nomination down. That would prevent more damage to the UN (assuming that the next nominee sent forward isn't even worse) than would letting it go forward. However, if he is appointed, I think there's a good chance exactly what you predict will come to pass.

[leyton]

34. The closest we've come to a victory since Nov 04...

I'd like to take it.

I suggested a few weeks ago that we leave DeLay in place, with much the same rationale. But I've changed my mind - we need to take what victories we can get. If that means stopping Bolton, and ousting Delay, we should do it.

[bush_is_wacko]

35. Honestly, I don't think this country can stand ANOTHER buffoon misstepping

all over the place! We have enough of them! Bolton's foot in mouth could mean a nuke up our collective you-know-whats!

[pcboss49]

36. Yes, I answered another thread saying we should give

the repugs more rope to hang themselves. It won't be long before Bolton creates a scandal and/or does something very embarrassing to the US and shrub administration.

[pilgrimsoul]

39. Even if he does, the media still won't report the truth about it

So why not oppose the bastard and make the Republicans openly show their disdain for the Constitution in all its ugly glory? Get their shameful agenda on the record and expose them for the traitors they are. If we're going to lose anyway, I say FIGHT, dammit! They want us to be weary of the struggle and to just give up. Senator Byrd didn't give up today and neither should we.

[EST]

45. Wasn't Byrd simply wonderful?

He gave the leadership a much needed spanking. Then that racist shit sipper, Lott, got up and made such adolescent fun of sen. Byrd's magnificent speaking style and deportment, all the while not even noticing that he, himself was wearing his leaky spare brain as well as the fact that he'd made a mistake and was wearing the wrong toupee-it was two shades grayer than the natural wreath. Such a retard. He actually sees himself as presidential material.

How the hell did we get such absolute lousy class, uneducated, dim bulb, troglodytes as the country's leaders? Thus dies the two hundred year old grand experiment...

[saskatoon]

37. Agree?

WHOLEHEARTEDLY!

[hecate77]

40. Problem is, what he wants to do is force more wars.

So what if he makes an ass out of himself. He wants us to go nuclear on Iran and Korea. He wants an end to the UN. He is a dangerous man. On the other hand, so is every idiot that clown in Washtington appoints.

Maybe you have a good point after all. We have a torturer as AG, another one running intel, a callous shoulder-shrugging killer at DoE, James Bond wannabes running Defense intel, another anger-challenged one running State, I suppose a wife-abuser, anger-nut is not so bad after all.....

[bobthedrummer]

42. Wolfowitz went to the bank, Porter Goss and Negroponte to intelligence,

Rumsfeld, Feith, Cambone and a lot more to DoD, Condoleeza to State, and NO, I don't think Bolton should go to the UN.

These folks are traitors, you see.

[wiggs]

43. No. He's there in the UN to do damage to the institution and to diplomacy

The only good thing about this is the deliberation on his nomination. It is clear that almost everyone is embarrassed that the administration nominated this guy. This is the wrong guy for an important job and he reflects badly on the administration the more publicity and controversy there is about his nomination.

Once in the UN though, we won't hear his name much again in connection with anything bad. There will be articles and interviews and praises and he will be shown to be a wonderful public servant in every way, even while he works to piss off every country in the world that isn't already mad. He will help divide the world up into another us vs them scenario, using threats, economic slavery, and military might to coerce allies against a list of enemy countries we create.

We are going to have it out...expand empire as fast as we can before China gets the upper hand. Look out Iran, Syria, Venezuela. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THE WORLD IS GOING TO BE DIVIDED INTO THE "GOOD" CAMP AND THE "BAD" CAMP and Bolton is just the guy to make it happen.

[Clarkie1]

44. No, we need to put what is best for the country and the world first. n/t

[funflower]

46. No, but it'll probably happen regardless.

Letting the reps show their true colors (as they are already doing) could be a good lesson for our country. The problem is how to undo the damage of a Bolton at the U.N. or a freepy judge with a lifetime appointment.

At any rate, they'll probably get most of these people confirmed eventually anyway. Depressing thought.

[orleans]

48. no. we don't need to prove to the world how messed up our

government is--how screwed up the republican party is. why do we need to sacrifice what's left of this country's reputation to really get the UN pissed off at us?

why do we have a committees to screen anything for the rest of the senate? shit! just put it all up to the senate for the old "up or down vote". let's just overwhelm the senate and they can vote on people and things they basically know nothing about.

bill freak said the senate will have time to de...TIME'S UP!

argh!

[Vinca]

49. We need to fight against him, but . . .

if he is confirmed, which is very possible, it might not be a bad thing. It's only a matter of time before his undiplomatic nature tells someone to f*ck off and creates an international fiasco which, of course, we blame on Shrub and his Republican toadies.

[Mikimouse]

50. Even if he did end up with his foot in his mouth...

the murkins wouldn't recognize the problem. Helen Thomas stated the case most eloquently when she observed that credibility no longer matters. Sad, to think that we have regressed so far in such a short period of time. We must take a stand somewhere, and Boton's nominatino is a good place to dig in.