This idiot Republican tries to invalidate british memo

[lynch03]

WHAT THE HELL IS HE GETTING AT HERE?? CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY HE'S FULL OF SHIT...



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Lets say it is real......its a real document from one Brit to another Brit, which says the first Brit thinks the Bush Administration was planning to go to war no matter what.

Ok...I think that about summarizes it.

So...its this Brit's opinion......or to make the case stronger.....its the opinion of SEVERAL BRITS that Bushie was dead set on goin to war in Iraq.....

its still just their OPINION.

Opinions are like *******s......everybodies got one.


Now lets look as to the MOTIVE for releasing the "secret internal memo"...

It was released to try to get the public to VOTE AGAINST Tony Blair....

big deal.

Disclaimer: I really hope I'm talking about the Brittish memo that all the leftists were creaming over the other day....otherwise I'll look like I didn't read the whole thread......which I didn't. LOL...







And your analysis of the situation gets washed down the toilet with the other waste.

This "inteligence" memo....is an assessment....an INTERPRETATION of the tea leaves that someone in MI6 digested.

Period.

Now...if they had in fact heard or gotten their hands on a document from our US government which said that the Bush Administration was going to War regardless and they were willing to "construct a case for war" and blatantly disregard any other intel......THEN YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING THERE.

but as it stands....this is still just somebody's opinion.

sorry if that ruins your day...but best you be told sooner rather than later so you can get through the grieving process quicker.

no no...don't thank me....it only required a little thinking, but I understand...once the kneejerking starts...its hard to stop it.

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I dont' know much about intel, and how it works but I had the understanding that it was taken straight from the memo verbatim,

[gordianot]

1. Your title tells why he is full of 'it'.

[LSparkle]

2. Are you referring to Gingrich's comment to Colmes on Faux?

He did a total "Dan Rather" -- something like "I don't know about the validity of that memo." Total cop-out.

[Fire Walk With Me]

3. The motive was the second-largest supply of oil in the world

Do I have that right, regarding Iraq? Bush signed a pair of National Emergencies regarding Iraqi oil. We're closing American military bases but building several permanent bases in Iraq.

How clear does their motivation have to be? Are dead American soldiers and multiple daily insurgent attacks OPINION?

[jobycom]

4. The "memo" was actually the official minutes from a British

intelligence meeting. The US media i watering it down by claiming the main controversy is over whether Bush had already made up his mind. The controversy if over the admission that they were going to "fix the evidence" to make a case for war, and over the admissions that there was no legal justification for the war.

I wouldn't call a British intelligence assessment that Bush had already made his plans "an opinion:" they were basing it on conversations with Bush's top aides, as I recall.

[desi826]

16. With good reason

jobycom wrote:

"The "memo" was actually the official minutes from a British
intelligence meeting."

Which tells me they are going to handle it by "Ratherizing" it; after keeping it to themselves for 4 days so Tony Blair can get re-elected.

Asses.

Just because they got away with it with HIM(because the media are such pathetic weaklings)doesn't mean they will get away with it on every issue.

"The US media i watering it down by claiming the main controversy is over whether Bush had already made up his mind. The controversy if over the admission that they were going to "fix the evidence" to make a case for war, and over the admissions that there was no legal justification for the war."

With good reason.
This is not JUST a controversy....it is an impeachable offense.
On Buzzflash, Greg Palast points out the specific article of the Constitution that Bush violated.

And if that is the case, how is it that so many Democrats fell for it? And did they violate the Constitution as well?
What does that say about Hilary and Joe?
Des

[pk_du]

5. The memo is the British equivalent of George Tenet writing to

George Bush and Cabinet........not just "some Brit's opinion"

[whistle]

6. Exactly how did he say: "Opinions are like *******s......

....everybodies got one"?

Did he say "assholes" or did he say "psut" "psut" "psut" "psut" "psut" "psut" "psut"'s?:dilemma:! :woohoo: !:applause:

[lynch03]

7. This guys from the Sean Hannity Message board

just so ya know.........

[whistle]

10. Ok, it was an old Victor Borgia routine from the Ed Sullivan Show

...where he sounds out the punctuation marks! The old-timers will remember the joke, I hope.

[InternalDialogue]

14. Do I have to admit to being an old-timer?

I remember that very well, but I saw it not on Ed Sullivan, but Sesame Street.

There, that dates me too.

[Fire Walk With Me]

8. Can the Iraq war widows use the RICO act now?

Does that apply? Racketeering, etc.?

[RDANGELO]

9. No one in Britain is disputing the memo

Maybe I am wrong ,but no one in Britain is disputing this memo, including Blair.

[desi826]

13. True

RDANGELO wrote:

"Maybe I am wrong ,but no one in Britain is disputing this memo, including Blair."

You're not wrong.
Blair himself has said that the memo's true.
The genius in the original post should have been following the sitch since it first broke in England.
Des

[grumpy old fart]

11. You see, the rest of the world already KNOWS this, but 70% of USA....

still doesn't grasp that the war was going to happen because Bush cabal wanted it, and the intelligence was "shaped" to give them cover. The media in this country is so damn pathetic, that the average man on the street in Spain knows more about U.S. war mongering than most U.S. citizens.

[KC21304]

15. You mean 70 % of Fox listeners.

The same 70?% who still think Saddam planned 9/11 and his WMD's are in Syria. These results are for real. 7 out of ten people who watch Fox and listen to Hannity believe this stuff.

[Fire Walk With Me]

12. Facts are opinions, opinions are facts.. Bizarro! And a link to discussion

More facts regarding the use of lies for personal profit, making terror alerts into political tools (Bin Laden: BOO!)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3645410

[WI Independent]

17. He does have a point...

Do I think he's taking it too lightly... yes. But I also think some here are taking it too seriously. It seems some think all that need be done is show the memo to Congress, have a vote, and Bush is "outta there". That wouldn't happen even IF both houses were controlled by the Democrats. LEGALLY, that memo isn't worth the paper it's photocopied on.

For starters:
- The person making the statements in the memo would have to testify before Congress to it's authenticity. (Can Congress supeona a British official?)
- He would have to testify to the accuracy of his assessments.
- He would have to testify to the actual conversations that he used to make those assessments.
- There would need to be additional evidence to support his testimony.
- It would need to be proven Bush (not just someone in his Admin) broke a law. (Any bets as to which high-ranking official(s) will fall on the sword if it comes to it???)
- Remember, lying to the general public is generally immoral, improper, hurts re-election (not that it matters now), etc... but it's not really illegal.
- Through the whole thing, Bush will invoke Executive Privledge producing endless court battles.
- etc... etc... etc...

Don't get your hopes too high...